Iowa's Incredible Disappearing 2015 Hoops Recruiting Class

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Close Shave America's picture

It's not just about recruiting misses. Iowa failed to develop the guys who chose to stay. It's not a good look when players put in 3-4 years with your program and still end up riding the pine. Not that the underclassmen didn't deserve to start, but wouldn't B1G experience and familiarity with the system give you enough of an edge to get meaningful minutes? Iowa isn't the kind of place that can regularly pull in freshman phenoms; we need players to grow and develop into productive juniors and seniors who can lead the team. Most years under Fran we've had that (Cole, Gatens, Marble, White, Jok, etc.). This string of recruiting/development flops is concerning. Our only senior next season will be Baer. 

Now Fran has to go out and find a guard who is a good defender and can spell Bohannon for 10-15 minutes, and who only has one year of eligibility remaining. 

Hmm... sounds a lot like Christian Williams... : /

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Jon Berg's picture

Had he stayed Williams certainly would have seen quite a bit of action spelling Bohannon 

Probably not, though, because he had hip surgery to fix a torn labrum back in November. 

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Calvin Poolidge's picture

That's it.  I'm convinced Bo Ryan (FUBO!) is working voodoo on Iowa in his retirement, to get back at us for Uthoff.

I mean it seems CWills saw it coming and just couldn't get away in time, the curse was already placed.

Seriously, the string of injuries and illnesses that plagued us this year is ridiculous.  The concussions alone were nuts.  I'd love to see a full compiling of ALL of the illnesses and injuries we dealt with both during the season and the ones known during the offseason.  These young men went through A LOT this year.  I hope that results in maturity and calm under duress later on.

"There's more goddamn beer and booze flowing in Iowa City than on New Year's Eve." ~Copper Dollar goer*
"Listen, man, we're gonna go to the Rose Bowl. This school spirit, it's contagious. It's alcohol." ~Airliner goer*
*1977 ISU ranked "Beat Iowa"

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John Hawktoasten's picture

I found out about Fleming while watching the end of the UNC - Lipscomb tourney game.  I needed Lipscomb to score 1 point in the final 30 seconds of the game to hit my March Madness square.  I got the UNC foul I needed, but unfortunately is was against hot shooting Andrew Fleming who proceeded to nail both free throws.  He was the third leading scorer for Lipscomb that game - 3-3 from the field (2 three pointers) and 4-4 from the line.

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Austin Kent's picture

That none of these guys are lighting it up at the mid-major level is a macabre silver lining - i.e. we didn't miss them that much - but point taken.  There should be less attrition from the incoming class plus McCaffrey especially with Wieskamp being an Iowa kid.  Plus the Kentucky guard finished the season better than his walk-on status would indicate.

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Mike Jones's picture

If Moss was even slightly consistent he'd be a very good player.

That isn't happening, though.

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Herk Whatcha Mama Gave Ya's picture

I totally get that it can be frustrating to see Moss go off for 20 points one night only to follow it up with five the next, but my goodness, what is so difficult about recognizing and acknowledging that he did make a noticeable jump forward as a sophomore?

It is not some new thing to harp on young players needing to improve in their consistency, attention to detail, etc. That's just how it works the vast majority of the time with these kids. Moss has gotten better, has two full years of eligibility remaining to continue to get better, and yet almost all you ever hear is bemoaning over how he isn't this or will never be that.

2016-17

17.1 min/game, 6.5ppg (41.2 FG%, 35.8 3pt%, 74.2 FT%), 1.6 reb, 0.9 ast, 1.1 TO

2017-18

24.2 min/game, 11.1ppg (42.0 FG%, 38.6 3pt%, 87.9 FT%), 2.2 reb, 1.9 ast, 1.2 TO

All of his shooting splits increased, despite a greater volume of attempts. His assist rate went up, his turnover rate down.

Those things speak to an increased level of consistency (crazy I know).

Now I'm certainly not saying Moss doesn't have numerous areas where I'd love to see continued growth (and even greater consistency), but I'm so tired of people getting stuck on this idea that he's somehow the exact same player he was a year ago, or that there isn't possibly any hope of him progressing moving forward.

For one, it's just kind of dumb to condemn a young player like that. And secondly, the actual data doesn't even support that opinion.

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Ricky D's Triple Double's picture

"...what is so difficult about recognizing and acknowledging that he did make a noticeable jump forward as a sophomore?"

In direct response to your question, it's because people are viewing Moss and his performance within the vacuum of this past season. It was a long, grueling season that didn't live up to many people's expectations. When we look for areas that would have helped this team gain at least a few more wins, Moss' consistency--along with solid defense and consistent point-guard play--is one of the top components.

I think you're dabbling in hyperbole to say people are condemning Moss. Most people seem genuinely excited by his potential. They just wish he could have been a more consistent presence this past season to facilitate more wins. 

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Calvin Poolidge's picture

I agree with you, but one quibble.  You may not have seen it, but there has been quite a few comments made about Moss to the negative that the OP was talking about.  As a Mossy fan I've taken note (but I try to remain cognizent of confirmation bias and things like that).

I do hope we see more consistency from him game to game (rather than just over the season),  but I do believe a good sized part of the problem in the early-mid season was due to injury, and he really started to turn the corner toward the end of the year.  I'd love to see Moss make a big jump in the coming season, but will still be happy if he just keeps being the Mossy we've seen so far only a year older and more experienced.

"There's more goddamn beer and booze flowing in Iowa City than on New Year's Eve." ~Copper Dollar goer*
"Listen, man, we're gonna go to the Rose Bowl. This school spirit, it's contagious. It's alcohol." ~Airliner goer*
*1977 ISU ranked "Beat Iowa"

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Calvin Poolidge's picture

Hey Herk, I think somebody accidentally gave you a down arrow.  Otherwise I can't imagine what the problem was with the post.

If you were the one who downvoted Herk's post, I don't want to argue or anything, I just want to understand what it was in the post that was problematic.  If you feel comfortable please fill me in, otherwise don't worry about it.  Thanks either way.

"There's more goddamn beer and booze flowing in Iowa City than on New Year's Eve." ~Copper Dollar goer*
"Listen, man, we're gonna go to the Rose Bowl. This school spirit, it's contagious. It's alcohol." ~Airliner goer*
*1977 ISU ranked "Beat Iowa"

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CapitalHawk's picture

I wouldn't say that isn't happening.  I would agree that it didn't happen this last season.  But he can learn consistency.  He has the ability (as some baseball peeps (Ron Shandler, I think) say "once you display a skill, you own it").  He just needs to learn how to avoid the games where he goes ghost.  This is something you can learn - I think it is mostly about focus and maturity.

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Calvin Poolidge's picture

If I had any coaching for Mossy (and I don't) it would be that he should work on those things that (just as an example, not a comparison) JBo did in the early season when he was hurt, and what Jok was excellent at when he was hurt and still getting a ton of attention and his shot wasn't hitting as well- - they both switched modes into doing REALLY well the things that were working (getting rebounds/assists/steals/etc and cutting down turnovers as much as they could- - JBo really focuses on assists and cutting the TOs, Jok did whatever things were working that night since he was a bit more versatile).

"There's more goddamn beer and booze flowing in Iowa City than on New Year's Eve." ~Copper Dollar goer*
"Listen, man, we're gonna go to the Rose Bowl. This school spirit, it's contagious. It's alcohol." ~Airliner goer*
*1977 ISU ranked "Beat Iowa"

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