The Big Four is Dead

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Made In USA's picture

Gary Barta, of House Hawkeye. First of His Name. University of Iowa Henry B. and Patricia B. Tippie Director of Athletics Chair. Protector of Scheduling. Master of Advertisements. Imbecile of Iowa City

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BirthdayPitchers's picture

And slave to the iron bank

Oh, my choices are Keystone Light or Keystone Light? I guess I'll go with Keystone Light.

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CRAYONS's picture

Upvote for the GOT reference in general and for the great callout of that ridiculous title.

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therealCatnuts's picture

Well done! Bravo(os)!

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women, and song. The other half I wasted.

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therealCatnuts's picture

Giggle. Was wondering how long until somebody called my bluff. (the parentheseses didn’t work spelling it correctly)

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women, and song. The other half I wasted.

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WaterlooChazz's picture

A Barta always pays its... debts bloated amount of staff-members.

https://hawkeyesports.com/staff.aspx

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

He may/may not even know how many people are on his staff.  Management isn't really his strong suit as the manager of Iowa athletics.

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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CRAYONS's picture

My takes on what I think are Pat's points:

1) Pat: Gary Barta is a BS artist who will spin whatever lying reasoning that is needed to justify his actions, regardless of any inconsistencies with past statements.  Me: Yes, I'm in agreement there.

2) Pat: The games with UNI (and/or Drake?) are a thing worth saving.  Me: Meh. I do agree that we're likely to get something even worse due to our athletic administration's chicken-hood, but I'm just not that emotionally invested in these series.  In theory, we could schedule a variety of respectable mid or high majors (which I would likely enjoy more than UNI), but I see why people would be doubtful that would happen in this regime. 

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

Sadly, nobody in the Iowa press corps has the balls to question his ongoing employment status despite clear courtroom ass-whuppings (from a GIRL!!!!), Iowa's first-ever NCAA investigation and even an OCR investigation for good measure.

The UI used to have standards of accountability and achievement for its personnel - and it was demanded by Iowans.  Not anymore...

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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therealCatnuts's picture

Prediction: this will not go over well when the Board of Regents again brings up the idea of UI sports money supporting the deficits of UNI/ISU

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women, and song. The other half I wasted.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

 I prefer not to go down that road with greedy-ass politicians getting their hands on athletic monies; I truly believe that ISU can go and fuck itself over and over before it receives a dime from UI.

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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therealCatnuts's picture

If it’s not known, my stance: beggars of OSU’s B10 athletics monies can not morally be choosers of state of Iowa athletics monies. 

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women, and song. The other half I wasted.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

Yes, I've read that before and kinda hoped you were just missing the sarcasm font...

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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ck4's picture

I don't think anyone will miss playing Drake. However, I loved watching us play UNI. Even though we lost pretty often, they're a very good mid major and an in-state school. A number of their players went to high school in Iowa City and they had a chip on their shoulders when playing us. 

I wish we could just schedule them on a yearly basis. 

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scratch where it itches's picture

2011? 2011!! Where has the time gone? I miss those halcyon days of having our head coach escorted from the court by police officers. Fuck those refs 7 years later, btw. 

Pig shit you say? Smells like $7 Billion to me.

Also, fire Gary Barta.

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Brinzerian Wisdom's picture

Also, the Prime Time League died yesterday as well.  The Times They Are A Changin'

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Fake Lie Dakich That Is Not Real's picture

Say what?

After spending years being bullied by the big ten, I decided to become the bully and go after Iowa basketball players. I also have no concept of what is real and what is fantasy, as demonstrated by my belief that I could coach.

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WaterlooChazz's picture

Due to the NCAA now allowing 4 hours of team practice per week in the summer, and 4 extra hours of individual work with coaches,

they (allegedly Fran and Ben Jacobson) have decided not to have their players in the PTL any longer.

So, Randy Larson canceled it.  

Personally, I think it could have continued with good high schoolers and maybe some small college guys, but I would guess the crowds would get pretty small.  And might be tough to get sponsors.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/2018/06/14/prime-...

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

Without Iowa and UNI guys, there's nothing Prime about the league continuing.

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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HoyaGoon's picture

The fact that Gary Bart’s continues to be employed is an utter embarrassment and black mark on the University of Iowa. Not for this, mind you, but this isn’t a good look for him either.

Just another garbage commenter spreading my *sshole all over the internet.

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MdHawkeye's picture

You know I agree with you on this, but I'll say it again. This is the correct take.

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Vanilla Gorilla's picture

Barta has some pictures of somebody important, that’s all I can think of.  I don’t really care that the big 4 is dead.  It was kind of crappy anyway.  I would much prefer the home and home.  

Celebrating horizontal football since 2011

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Vanilla Gorilla's picture

I am bummed the PTL died.  I really like taking my kids up there and watching high level bball

Celebrating horizontal football since 2011

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WaterlooChazz's picture

My (predictable) opinion:  this can be summed up in two words:  "Iowa Hawkeye Pusscakery."

I love Iowa mens' hoops.  I love UNI mens' hoops.  It is dumb that they have been put at odds over the last few years.  There are many people who can take some of the blame for that (including you, Vint).

At the same time, there are many, many small reasons that can lead to this decision.  

a) It is dumb to have it at a neutral arena.

b) It doesn't make good financial sense for Iowa to play at Drake or UNI anymore.

c) It doesn't make sense for UNI to accept a "play us every, or every other, year at Carver or GFY" agreement.  It would not be nice to do that to Drake, either, but they have bigger problems (like finding and keeping a coach, and becoming competitive for more than a month).

d) Bigger conferences are trying to swing their proverbial johnson right now.  In many sports.  I'm not sure what the end game is, if they are trying to chip away at the NCAA, or just trying to kill the athletic departments of small colleges and universities, but all of it seems very short-sighted to me.

Finally, Fran has now gone all in on winning.  He has already stopped getting a "pass" from many college basketball fans in our state, including some Hawkeye fans.  If the entire home non-con slate is cupcakes, none from our state, he better run that table and do some winning in his conference.  And he better do it ethically.  I am not advocating for his firing, but I'm sick of Hawkeye hoops being a poser, acting as if it is THE big show when it can not fill its own arena, get its own games on the conference network, get players drafted to the next level, or be a contender in its own conference.  

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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Hollywood Hawk Hogan's picture

I do not like this feeling.  A large institution I care about is being run by an incompetent, sexist asshole.  He's clearly in way over his head, only cares about himself and his money, and just won't go away despite finding a new way each day to screw everything up.  He operates  without the slightest hint of ethical considerations, honesty, or self-awareness.  And none of his long track record of fuckery ever seems to catch up with him to make him face the consequences of his actions.  If any of us normal people were as stunningly shitty at our jobs as this fuckstick is at his job, we'd have been out on our asses long, long ago.  I guess with great power comes great responsibility absolutely no responsibility whatsoever.  Please tell me I'm not the only one losing my damn mind over this shit!

CAUTION: May go on prolonged rants about Gary Barta and Bruce Harreld without warning.

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Jon Berg's picture

Wait, is this a Barta screed or a Trump screed?

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scratch where it itches's picture

Make Iowa Athletics Administration Great Again

Pig shit you say? Smells like $7 Billion to me.

Also, fire Gary Barta.

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WaterlooChazz's picture

(It has never been that great.  Sorry).

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

Bump and Christine would like a word with you Chazz...

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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WaterlooChazz's picture

I thought about that.

I feel you need to look at EITHER the early 1980s, or the late 1980s.  I think it is tough to just throw them all together.

Early 1980s:  Lute, Fry, Gable.  But, as much as we think highly of Duane Banks, his last NCAA tourney appearance was in the mid or late 1970s, or 1990.  None in the 1980s. No Blevins or Stringer at Iowa until the late 1980s.  Field Hockey starting to make the NCAAs in the mid 1980s.

Late 1980s:  Gable, Fry, Tom Davis (I love him, but probably always behind two or three other coaches in the B10 at the time).  Same comment here (as above) for Duane Banks.  Blevins and Stringer, although Stringer's biggest Iowa success would come in the early 1990s, and Blevins in the late 1990s.  A Field Hockey national title in 1986, under Judith Davidson.  

While I'm glad to be a Hawkeye fan, we have no national titles outside of wrestling and field hockey during the Elliott/Grant era.  No major bowl wins.  One men's hoops final four.  One women's hoops final four.  One baseball CWS appearance (albeit, 3 NCAA tourney berths).  4 Softball CWS appearances (a couple of National 3rd place finishes at the peak).

Is it better than what we have done recently?  Yes.

Should we be proud of it?  Sure.

Would I call it "great"?  Maybe not. 

Does it put us in the conversation of the top of our conference or the country, for an overall athletic program?  I doubt it. 

Particularly if you put emphasis on national championships in the money sports, where Michigan, Penn State, and Ohio State have won. 

(No, I don't want to do it the way they do it).

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

Great to me doesn't always HAVE to mean "championships".  It means fun to watch programs that are always pushing to reach their potential, a progressive mind towards facilities (it took a little bit, but The Bubble DID get done - along with Carver Hawkeye, additions to Kinnick, etc.).  It also means no NCAA investigations, no Title IX violations, no Office of Civil Rights violations and sure as hell no embarrassing losses in court because of complete and utter lack of basic management skills by the tone-deaf, idiot lead manager - behavior that's 100% acceptable by Iowa administration standards today and apparently a majority of Iowa fans.

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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WaterlooChazz's picture

I would probably refer to several of those as "good to very good."

I will credit Elliott and Grant for finding and, for the most part, keeping high-quality coaches for long tenures.  (Fry, Gable, Banks, Blevins, Stringer were all at Iowa for tenures of 12 to 27 years).  That might be something that could be called "great."

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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Benvious's picture

Yeah, let's stick to the No politics rule. Doesn't matter who does or doesn't agree with that statement...it shouldn't be made at all.

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Jon Berg's picture

To be fair, I never took any political position with my post. I merely made an observation. The post I replied to made no mention of Gary Barta or the University of Iowa Athletic Department, so I was making a joke that if the institution HHH loved was actually the USA and not the Iowa Athletic Department that this rant would be right at home on Twitter and Facebook.

I thought long and hard before posting, but ultimately I went ahead because even though some people might think I'm pushing a political agenda and downvote me, others might appreciate the observation for what it was at face value.

In other words, I regret nothing.

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DonnyDonovan's picture

They now play 20 conference games.   They play ISU.   They play in the ACC-B1G challenge.   They play in a holiday tournament.   Many years they play in the Gavitt games.

The amount of overreaction and hysteria the last several days to Iowa's nonconference basketball scheduling is ridiculous.  No one cares about Drake.  They were good for one year under Keno.   I liked playing UNI but I'm not going to lose sleep over this.   The event was lame and in a half-empty arena.   There are plenty of good reasons to criticize Barta but this entire thread is overreaction x100.  I hope it's just because we're in the doldrums where Iowa sports is concerned.

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Hollywood Hawk Hogan's picture

The original sin in this story isn't the termination of the Big Four Classic.  The original sin is its creation.

I don't think people here are bemoaning the tragic death of the Big Four event itself, so much as we're annoyed by the hypocrisy and the appearance that we're ducking UNI now that they can beat us.  One person's "overreaction and hysteria" may be another person's re-opening of an old wound, or simply a long-simmering disgust.  In my calmest moments, my baseline feeling towards Gary Barta is, "Just get the fuck out, already!"  He should have been fired for what he did to Griesbaum and Meyer.  He wasn't, because ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.  That's enough reason to be mad, before you start piling on Barta's growing list of dumb lies and hypocrisy on University letterhead.  Maybe you enjoy being served lukewarm bullshit on a silver platter by your alma mater, but some of us don't.

Gary Barta has gone on record defending the precious value of Iowa's football "rivalry" with UNI while Iowa has made excuse after excuse to avoid playing UNI basketball.  We've played UNI football a grand total of 17 times in our entire history, the same number of times we've played Grinnell, and fewer times than we've played Notre Dame.  We've played 11 games against FCS opponents since 2005, but only four of those were against our arch-rivals from Cedar Falls.  @I guess we're just so passionate about our Hawkeye/Panther football rivalry that we had to play Montana and Tennessee Tech just to let things cool [email protected]

Meanwhile Iowa vs UNI basketball was an annual game for decades.  Then UNI got good, Iowa stumbled, and we just coincidentally decided to play them less often and never on their home court.  Whatever soulless, profit-maximizing calculation may be the real reason for not playing UNI, the UI's actions practically scream "We are just too chickenshit to play UNI, because we might lose."  

CAUTION: May go on prolonged rants about Gary Barta and Bruce Harreld without warning.

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WaterlooChazz's picture

Please don't remind KF and Barta that we could, theoretically, play Grinnell.

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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IowaPharmer's picture

I listened to the most recent OnIowaPodcast (Mas Casa and Dochterman are back together!), and they pointed out that if Iowa hadn’t said no to the Big For Classic, ISU would have, primarily due to scheduling. I’m on the side of: Let’s play UNI whenever we can, because it’s usually a good game, but I could care less about Drake, so, I’m not very disappointed in any of this. To be fair, UNI is a step up over Bryant, and I definitely realize this, but I think the scheduling of the tournament and everything else is difficult.  At least that’s my take from the most recent podcast.

My ultimate point is that it sounds like this was going to die whether Iowa killed it or ISU killed it. Iowa did first (someone had to) and is therefore the bad guy, but it was gonna die either way. 

"I know what I'm suggesting." -therealCatnuts

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DonnyDonovan's picture

"Maybe you enjoy being served lukewarm bullshit on a silver platter by your alma mater, but some of us don't. "

Maybe you enjoy making assumptions and putting words in people's mouths. It would appear so. I still contend the level of hysteria ever since the Bryant game was announced is disproportionate. How that's a full endorsement of GB eludes me.

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Hollywood Hawk Hogan's picture

I assure you that I do not at all assume that you like being lied to.  My rhetoric was provocative, but directed towards a point.  This isn't, in my view, a sudden outburst of hysteria in reaction to the Bryant and Big Four news.  You're seeing a lot of people who are DONE with having Barta represent our university and our state -- people who really are just trying to be fans of Hawkeye sports -- reacting to yet another reminder that (a) Gary Barta is still our AD, and (b) he's still full of shit.

Sure, playing UNI in basketball is not a life or death matter, and playing Drake hardly matters at all.  And yes, if we had Spencer Lee wrecking fools, or Akrum Wadley melting ankles, or Megan Gustafson All-Americaning, or Tyler Cook abusing Big Ten basketball rims, we probably wouldn't talk about it as much as we have here, in the doldrums of the off-season.  I think you made some valid points, but I also think your comment about "overreaction and hysteria" comes off as very dismissive, considering how long the list of grievances against Barta's administration has become.

CAUTION: May go on prolonged rants about Gary Barta and Bruce Harreld without warning.

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DonnyDonovan's picture

Fair enough.   And I assure you I am far from satisfied with Barta's leadership and would not complain about a change at the top of the athletic department (obviously the hire would matter, but still).   The Griesbaum/Title IX issues and the lawsuit settlement are particularly troubling.   On the other side, non-revenue sports do seem to be enjoying an uptick, what appears to be an excellent softball hire was made, baseball is thriving, and hopefully football, men's basketball and wrestling are poised for good runs as well.  If we're stuck with him perhaps he's learning at least something from past errors.  I hope so.   I'm perhaps not where you are in my distaste.  But again, that's not a full-throated endorsement either.   Far from it. 

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chitownhawkeye's picture

Ultimately, it's a wasted opportunity in my mind.  UNI and Drake generally are decent, or at least not so bad as to impact RPI.

We're swapping out one and replacing them with sub 300 garbage.

That doesn't help the team, it doesn't help the fans, it doesn't help the state.  But mostly, it doesn't help the team.  There is no benefit to playing a team that bad, either in terms of preparation or in terms of resume.

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