GONE BABY GONE: BRANDON SNYDER TO TRANSFER

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WaterlooChazz's picture

HartyLanche Warning

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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chitownhawkeye's picture

Ugh.  That guy is bad enough.  Trusting him to handle the rumor mill is a terrible idea.

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chitownhawkeye's picture

Best of luck, Brandon.  Stay healthy.

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DonnyDonovan's picture

Based on the rumors on various message boards, there's way, way more to it.   I won't elaborate here.   A 30-second search and anyone interested could have it.   

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Little Dumplin''s picture

I gotta say his comments on this strike me as odd - especially the bit about SDSU "valuing family" or somesuch.  

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Hollywood Hawk Hogan's picture

I'd be surprised if that comment is counterposing SDSU to Iowa in terms of their family values.  According to Google Maps, his hometown of Larchwood, Iowa is about an hour's drive from SDSU and almost six hours from Iowa City.  Now that he's got his bachelor's degree sewn up, it just may be more important right now to be physically close to his family.

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IAinCA's picture

Wonder if this has to do with the younger guys pushing for PT at the free safety or just a breakdown of the relationship between Snyder and the staff, hopefully the former.

Either way, good luck to the kid and tear it up at SDSU....oh, maybe that wasn't the best phrase for the situation.

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Hollywood Hawk Hogan's picture

I believe the customary phrasing is "break a le" -- aw, gee, that's no good either!

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BeefTaco's picture

This sucks.  The good news is I feel like we're sitting good at safety and have multiple guys who could contribute.

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Hawk Guy's picture

I was really hoping to see him with a pick 6 against Iowa State. I guess it’s still possible, just not in a  Hawkeye jersey.

Waiting for the next time Michigan comes to visit

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Bohemian Grove's picture

There's a tweet from Harty about Snyder being upset about tarnishing his name and/or Iowa's name.  I would have to guess this was d/t his run in with the law.  Personally, I don't think he tarnished his name or Iowa, period.  He made a mistake, yes, but in no way did he do irreparable harm to himself or the University, no one got hurt, etc.

I wish he wasn't going...and wish him nothing but the best in his football career and beyond.  He'll always be a Hawkeye in my mind.

I didn't break my leg for no shit. -Drake Kulick

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Hollywood Hawk Hogan's picture

Really agree with your sentiments here, BG.  I'm sad to hear that we won't see him in the Black and Gold this year, but happy to hear that he has the opportunity to complete his college football eligibility close to home.  I'm looking forward to him hauling in the game-winning pick six against those damn Bison!

Thanks for being a Hawkeye, Brandon.  Best wishes to you and your loved ones.

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WaterlooChazz's picture

What I am about to write is total speculation.  In fact, let's assume it is NOT the case with Snyder, but with a totally hypothetical D1 football player named Dax Tacklesforclauss.

Dax Tacklesforclauss gets a chance to play for the University/Coach/Team that he has rooted for in his childhood.  That his family loves.  

Dax has a good first year or three.  Gets a starting spot.  Makes some big plays.  Gets to play on one of the better teams in the history of the program, a team that goes undefeted for the first 12 games and gets to play for the conference title and go to a Rose Bowl.

Dax suffers a bad leg injury of some type, NOT a torn ACL, but one that keeps him out for a big chunk of a season.  

Dax works his ass off to come back, but gets depressed at times because of the rehab of the leg, and not feeling like fully being part of the lineup, and just the physical pain.  He gets a little too deep into booze and pain relievers. It starts to affect his sleep and appetite.  He gets a DUI legal citation of some type, and some of his coaches and team-mates make their displeasure about it, known to him.

But, he keeps working his ass off, serves the small suspension, gets healthy, gets back on the field, plays pretty well, and gets hurt again.  Another leg injury (NOT an ACL.  Maybe a PCL).  He knows some of the pitfalls from before, and avoids most of them.  He reaches out for help when he needs it, particularly for mental/emotional support, as he saw a team-mate (let's call him Stan Waltch) who bravely admitted his own depression to the media during Dax's time in the program.  But, Dax just can't stay off the pain relievers.  Some can see the changes when looking in his eyes.

He gets healthy again, but is a half-step slower (duh, two leg injuries will do that).  But the half-step that was lost is now visible because of the talented younger players that surround him in the defensive backfield.  Dax finds out in late July that he won't be a starter in game one, and Dax takes this very hard.  Considers it a failure on his own part (it is not, but nobody can tell him it isn't).  Dax decides he needs to be closer to family and find a spot on a team where he can still be a very good player and starter (FCS level, maybe).  He already has a college degree.  

I see this as a pretty understandable situation, for Dax.  I'd wish him well.  You know, if he really existed.

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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Joe Bauers's picture

This saga is up there with Marcus Coker's departure in terms of the Innuendo:Facts ratio being totally out of whack.  There are all sorts of cryptic comments out there about his making poor decisions but, as far as I can tell, no concrete facts from this calendar year.  I have no f'ing clue what actually led to his departure.  I suppose that was the Athletic Department's goal, and it's probably for the best.

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Vanilla Gorilla's picture

Whatever the case is, give this a read.  Unless it’s sexual assault or something like that.  

https://www.powerforparker.com/blog/i-wish-you-could-see-brandon-snyder-...

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scratch where it itches's picture

This fucking onion I was cutting was strong. 

Pig shit you say? Smells like $7 Billion to me.

Also, fire Gary Barta.

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Vanilla Gorilla's picture

Yeah that’s what I thought

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Herk Whatcha Mama Gave Ya's picture

I know we all bandied about the Snyder/Gervase situation at FS heading into fall camp (I was firmly of the belief that Snyder would win the job, if sufficiently healthy). Basically I thought that those guys had semi-similar physical profiles, but with Snyder being a step or two above in pretty much every category of on-field play. Thus, Snyder, who's also just as, if not more experienced than Gervase, would ultimately lock down the starting spot.

With Snyder out of the picture though, my thinking shifts to the hope that some others had of a Hooker/Stone safety tandem in 2018.

Gervase has more experience, but the talent/athleticism gap between he and Stone is so great that I'd rather get the younger guy in there with the higher upside. Pair him with Stone and you've got Iowa's most athletic safety tandem since who know's when.

New phone, who dis?

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Iagander's picture

Stone had almost no interest from any major conference programs so I'm not sure where you're getting this big athleticism gap from. I don't think he had enough time on the field to demonstrate it.

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C.I.owA's picture

Look at them on tape! Stone is unquestionably more fluid. And, at his age, he is usually in pretty good position. 

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HoyaGoon's picture

Gervase had even less interest from D-1 programs. Including Iowa! The difference as I see it, literally, is that I've seen both Gervase and Stone play in the same season. And Gervase was clearly less talented

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Herk Whatcha Mama Gave Ya's picture

There wasn't much thought behind this comment was there?

Stone had 10+ INT's as a HS senior in major PA football and was actually offered a scholarship to come play at Iowa.

Gervase was a walk-on from a 3A program in Iowa (they were in my school's conference and we played them every year).

Gervase redshirted and then sat for three years before Snyder's injury last spring opened the door for him. And then he promptly lost his job a few games into the season, only regaining it once again after further injury struck the safety group.

Stone never even sniffed a redshirt, immediately became in impact player on special teams, and then when his name was called hardly looked out of place as an 18 year-old on the road in Lincoln.

Which of these things doesn't indicate a noticeable difference between the two players? Or, ya know, just watch the tape.

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Iagander's picture

I sold my tape machine in a garage sale 20 years ago but Gervase had 58 tackles and assists compared to Stones 17, and 3 picks to Stones 1. Of course you're going to say your talent evaluating skills are superior to mine and the coaching staff's you condescending %$#@.

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Joe Bauers's picture

??

Gervase took probably 10 times as many snaps on defense as Stone did, if not more.  I don't recall Geno Stone playing several snaps on defense (i.e., playing snaps other than special teams) until the Nebraska game.  I won't say if other people's talent evaluation skills are better than yours, but logical reasoning is a different story.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

OK, what's the deal here with you and Gervase?  Stone is a more athletic player in every way, and with the same amount of PT experience (Gervase is 3 years older - practice time AND game time) and health there's little to support your Gervase defense - I mean, even with limited PT he's been impactful.  Gervase seems to be a good kid but he's not as good of an athlete as Stone - time will tell if he can surpass Gervase in productivity.

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Herk Whatcha Mama Gave Ya's picture

Yo, I never claimed to be a superior football 'talent' evaluator to you or anyone else, nor did I ever make a definitive claim that Stone is a better player than Gervase right now.

Of course you and I can subjectively differ on a tape evaluation of a player's skills. Cuz, duh?

What's a far more objective measure, however, is the athletic profile of a given player, which you, uh, can pretty easily distinguish based on tape and/or testing numbers. But by all means have a hissy fit that I've somehow affronted your dignity as a fan by pointing out that Stone is obviously the quicker, rangier, more fluid athlete between he and Gervase.

I literally said that I'd go with Stone because he's a higher upside option. That doesn't mean he's better at this very moment in time (he could be). It's a similar philosophy to what we saw with Amani Hooker last season (also as a true sophomore who played a big role on special teams as a freshman).

For whatever reason the coaches elected to go with Gervase/Taylor as the safety duo in the early going. But after Gervase was repeatedly toasted and Taylor didn't exactly manage to cover himself in glory with his performance either, Hooker was finally inserted into the lineup against PSU and immediately impacted the position group in a positive manner.

All of this ultimately would have been discussed in a more civil back-and-forth debate on this topic, but instead you turned it into a name-calling pissing contest over 'tape evaluation' skills. So kudos to you sir.

New phone, who dis?

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Iagander's picture

Look at the opening sentence of your initial comment before lecturing me about civility.

I know Gervase isn't the second coming of Bob Sanders but he shouldn't automatically be replaced by someone you presume has more athletic skills. Talent evaluators weren't enthralled with Jewell's athletic skills leading up to the draft but he was a great college football player. Not equating Jewell with Gervase but there's more to it than athleticism. A friend of mine played four years of college football and every year they'd bring in someone faster and more athletic to replace him. He always ended up starting.

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Hawk Guy's picture

Just my opinion, but it may be a while until we get a player that we can fairly compare to The Outlaw, though I see your point. 

Ultimately, I think we are going to see a decent amount of Nickel packages, which would give both Gervase and Stone playing time. I think this is especially true since our safeties kind of seem like guys as fast as someone in the secondary and as big as a linebacker.

Waiting for the next time Michigan comes to visit

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Iagander's picture

I agree. I hope they both get plenty of playing time.

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HoyaGoon's picture

I don't think it really requires a comparison. One can just watch Gervase's game tape from last season and quickly realize that he just isn't very good. He repeatedly got burned on deep coverage and found himself out of position in short/medium coverage. And I think it's telling that, as the season progressed and players like Hooker and, yes even, Stone got more experience, Gervase saw less and less of the field to the extent that guy (Snyder) coming back from an ACL tear really quickly was inserted over Gervase the very second it was possible, and that when Taylor went out with an injury against Nebraska early in the game, Hooker (who had started at FS that game) was moved over to SS and Stone was brought in to play FS. It's not just us, the evidence available suggests that the coaches themselves aren't overly enamored with with what Gervase brings to the table. I see his heretofore co-starting role with Snyder entering the season as a stopgap until one of the younger players could be brought up to speed. Phil Parker has LONG deferred to having an upperclassman with more experience and "knowledge" of the defense over younger players at the FS spot, especially when the rest of the secondary is so young.

That's why you're the judge and I'm the law-talking guy.

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DC_HAWK's picture

I'm confused. I see stuff all over the internet saying "there are rumors out there" about other "problems," but I have yet to find one of those posts that elaborates on what those rumors actually are.  Leistikow wrote an article that sort of references other issues, but surprisingly, he doesn't say what those issues were. His article seems to be more of a defense of Snyder's character, which after having chatted with Snyder's dad, makes me wonder what he was defending against.

So, what's the story here?

By all accounts, Snyder is a good dude who was working his ass off to battle back from tough injuries.  But to me, this smells a lot like Iowa City claiming another victim.  To be clear, I have no problem with a college kid going out and being a drunk dumbass (getting behind the wheel was extraordinarily stupid and inexcusable in the age of Uber, and I do take exception to that), but does this really amount to "being in a dark place" and battling "depression"?  To me, this sounds a lot like a typical college kid who liked to party, Ferentz told him to stop, he didn't, and Ferentz told him to take a hike.

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Hawk Guy's picture

I think Chazz’s “hypothetical” is probably pretty close

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WaterlooChazz's picture

I'm totally speculating, but I'd guess booze or pain medication addiction.

If it were some sort of assault, particularly on a woman, I'd think we'd hear much more about this.  And I think many more writers/media people would be painting a much worse picture of Brandon than they are.

And I am simply basing this on the things I have read.  Please do not think that I am judging Snyder or badmouthing him.  It could be something as simple as that he just wants to get one more good year of starting from his football career.  I also recall reading that Brandon, and his brother Jaden, wanted to play together (I think they were just far enough apart that it did not happen in high school), so now it could make sense for them both to go to SoDak State.  Jaden wasn't going to play much or at all at Iowa this year, and if Brandon wasn't going to start at Iowa this year, then they can both go to a college where more family can come to a game where both guys might play.

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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imadirtyoldman's picture

His Dad actually talks to a reporter, and he essentially refers to Brandon never being back in the good graces of the coaching staff or his teammates after that OWI arrest. I have no idea what the specifics are, but there's more to it than I think we'll ever know.

Link to article.

But what if you know a Stacy, and her Mom's a fucking troll?

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scratch where it itches's picture

Pat Harty is a hack, and will package a story however he can to get clicks and make it look like he’s in the know. Also, he’s horrible on a technical level. God help anyone who has written a paper for an AP English class when they read Pharty’s garbage. I see red corrections everywhere when I am dumb enough to click through to one of his pieces. 

Pig shit you say? Smells like $7 Billion to me.

Also, fire Gary Barta.

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imadirtyoldman's picture

Yeah, that's my bad. Didn't even look to see who wrote the piece until after I posted. Now I feel like a schmuck for thinking I had something to add. Don't mind me, I'll revert back to the shadows...

But what if you know a Stacy, and her Mom's a fucking troll?

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scratch where it itches's picture

Don’t feel bad. Pharty wouldn’t have a career at all if he couldn’t dupe unsuspecting football fans into opening one of his “columns”. 

Pig shit you say? Smells like $7 Billion to me.

Also, fire Gary Barta.

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Rum Hawk's picture

SDSU Head Coach Arrested for DUI Earlier This Year

South Dakota State University football coach John Stiegelmeier was arrested for DUI earlier this year, court documents show.

Stiegelmeier, 61, was arrested on January 27. Records show he had a blood alcohol level of "0.08 percent or more."

According to court documents, an officer saw a silver Chevy Malibu in the south ditch near 8th Street South and Regency Court in Brookings trying to get out just before 11:20 p.m.

The officer asked Stiegelmeier to sit in the front seat of the patrol car. He was allegedly "unsteady on his feet" after leaving his vehicle.

The officer could smell alcohol on Stiegelmeier, who admitted he had been drinking an alcoholic beverage called "Joose," according to court documents.

The officer had him perform Standardized Field Sobriety Tests and exercises, and "could not obtain a PBT from Stiegelmeier."

He was arrested for DUI-1st just after 11:30 p.m.

Stiegelmeier said his poor decision to drive intoxicated reflects on him and not the football team or staff.

He is the winningest football coach in South Dakota State University history, leading the Jackrabbits to a 148-97 record in 21 seasons.

This article came from KSFY in Sioux Falls.

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Hawktober's picture

Care to explain how this relates to Brandon?  Maybe we're supposed to draw some connections between the coach's OWI mistake and Brandon's?  I'm honestly curious.

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HoyaGoon's picture

McBain's jokes were funnier

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WaterlooChazz's picture

A man who drinks Joose?

That's fireable, right there.

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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TransplantedHawkeye's picture

Now, if I could just figure out what I did with my decoder ring.

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HoyaGoon's picture

It’s probably under DRUGS’ lost shoe

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Calvin Poolidge's picture

That's still at my house.  Waiting for him to come back to town.

"There's more goddamn beer and booze flowing in Iowa City than on New Year's Eve." ~Copper Dollar goer*
"Listen, man, we're gonna go to the Rose Bowl. This school spirit, it's contagious. It's alcohol." ~Airliner goer*
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Beltway Hawk's picture

Miss him already, even if he did screw up. Seems like a good kid, after reading that powerforparker article linked above. 

In other "departing" news, who is writing the Urban article??

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therealCatnuts's picture

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women, and song. The other half I wasted.

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Hawk Guy's picture

I was thinking about mentioning that Urb’s downfall started at 55-24, but Urban Meyer seems like a hypocritical shitbag that consistently looks the other way when it helps him win. I don’t really think they fire him because the rules don’t apply to Urban Meyer, but I’ve been wrong before.

Edit: I didn’t click your link assuming it pertained to the Urban Meyer story. My mistake, though Urban is still a douche.

Waiting for the next time Michigan comes to visit

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tyger1147's picture

Jeeze, who would have thunk that a giant, multi-million dollar "corporation" that wants to make as much money as possible on the backs of exploiting its workers... would be led by a corrupt middle-aged white dude? And his glitzy suburban wife would help cover it up.

meh

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Hawktomegoose's picture

Heard that Snyder made some very very very poor decisions one night that basically closed the door on a return to Iowa, although since the police were not involved there will be no way to ‘corroborate’ until it gets out from people in the know (not sure if that’s what the poster above referenced with message board rumors since I don’t frequent them).

But let’s just say that I am no longer a Snyder fan and although Good kids can sometimes make poor decisions, once a line is crossed it’s tough to still view them as a good kid who does a bad thing.

It goes beyond just drinking and AFAIK drugs had zero role. I trust my “source”. I’m sure it will come out sooner or later

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Hawk Guy's picture

If true, that’s very disappointing.

Waiting for the next time Michigan comes to visit

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