Career Advice: Brian Ferentz's Next Move

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TomKsobiech's picture

I will agree that BF will be better prepared to be the Iowa coach if he is a head coach elsewhere first. 

But, isn't he more likely to get the job if he doesn't go elsewhere? Right now, he is potential. Fans (and more importantly, Gary Barta) can project their hopes on him. Once he becomes a head coach, he'll make mistakes (because he's human). We'll see those mistakes. We won't want those mistakes at Iowa. We'll look elsewhere to pin our hopes.

I guess it comes down to what BF values. 1) The easiest path to the head coaching job is from his current seat. 2) The path toward being a better head coach in the long term is via a stint elsewhere. One added factor: BF is a millenial. If working with millenials has taught me anything, it's that it can be hard for them to see the value of route 2 over route 1.

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Sean Considine's Bromance's picture

Right now, he is potential. Fans (and more importantly, Gary Barta) can project their hopes on him. Once he becomes a head coach, he'll make mistakes (because he's human). We'll see those mistakes. We won't want those mistakes at Iowa. We'll look elsewhere to pin our hopes.

I agree with this. For Brian to take a head coaching job somewhere else involves a pretty significant amount of risk. He has to be confident that he can run all the wide and varied aspects of a college program, even if it's a small mid-major job somewhere. 

Brian doesn't have to look farther than Bob Diaco to find a cautionary tale. Diaco was a hot commodity just a few years ago, winning the Broyles Award as a defensive coordinator at Notre Dame and then went on to UConn where he lost twice as many games as he won and had a pretty epic PR disaster with the forced rivalry with UCF. After a year holding down the DC role during the Mike Riley Experiment in Lincoln, he's back to being a positional coach.

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hawkheaven's picture

Big time false equivalency here with the article. KF went from Iowa position coach to (small fish) Maine HC, to NFL position coach, to Iowa HC. Yeah, Maine probably instilled experience being the top dog in a program, but that stint was probably the least beneficial in terms of football knowledge.

Would it be ideal if BF went off to be a HC somewhere before coming back? Yeah it would. But OC is already a pretty significant position, and are the resumes of his competition for the next Iowa HC going to have a significant HC experience?

If being HC at Iowa was where BF wants to be, taking another HC job in the interim has only potential to weaken his case.

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JRossman's picture

Agree with your premise, good points raised. FWIW, I could see Brian channeling his inner Michael Corleone and telling an interviewer that (paid consultant) Kirk is the best consigliere a neophyte coach could have.

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stargate125645's picture

Ryan Day did not have head-coaching experience - though he had more overall experience.  Head-coaching experience is not necessarily a precursor.  With that said, I don't disagree that it would make him a better coach at Iowa to assemble a staff elsewhere first - assuming we want him to stay.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

To be fair to Brian:  Ryan Day has the resources and talent to make some mistakes and still come out smelling like Roses; Iowa, as it's been discussed ad nauseam, means making too many mistakes can cause longer-lasting damage to the program because there's not often any plug-and-play options if the original one doesn't work out.  That means too many mistakes at Iowa end up eliminating a chance at Detroit come mid-December...

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IAinCA's picture

Another example of a successful HC that didn't have previous experience in the position: Sean McVay.

I do agree that it would be preferable if Brian has some HC experience before he takes over for Kirk, but I think the current trend in head coaching hiring is that it's not a necessity as it was in the past.

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Fryser Soze's picture

Agreed, with the added wrinkle that the gig he takes is head coach of some fertile recruiting area.  Should he leave to be a head coach and return 4 years later when Papa Ferentz retires, it sure would be nice to have some in-roads to Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Texas, Virginia, California, or any SEC state.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

Well-written and gives some perspectives I haven't always considered.  The only point I don't give a full weight to is the NE years for two reasons.  First, Gronk and YooHoo are/were obviously terrific athletes on the cusp of becoming special before Brian and undoubtedly he pushed that forward.  However, I smile when so much credit - even by Gronk himself (who's actually very humble despite his achievements) - is bestowed upon Brian for his/their success.  I mean, he wasn't exactly taking walkons and turning them into 2-stars here - there was tons of premium material to work with there.

Secondly, I undoubtedly agree he learned some things under Belichick that have helped him along the way.  However, with the limited time - and duties - he had there I still believe he's very fortunate to have risen to OC so quickly at a P5 school that DOESN'T SUCK (i.e. NOT Illinois!).  I also look at so many of the other "Belichick Coaching Tree" and the ones that actually had any sustained success are KF and that angry guy at Alabama - the rest have been average at best (but mostly mediocre) as HC's at the pro level (Only Bill O'Brien has enjoyed any kind of "lengthy" NFL success to go with his PSU reclamation) or college level (Weis was not good at ND or KS).  So it's hard for me to lend too much weight to those influences either considering that there's not a lot of positive examples that show working there gives someone an overwhelming advantage to being a successful HC - other than getting an interview somewhere.

I'm sure others will disagree with those assessments but that's OK.  I also agree with TomK about the millennial thing above - the short-term is always the most commonly-chosen pathway for millennials.  Period.

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HoyaGoon's picture

Never has all of one year as a position coach been used to justify so much as it is with Brian Ferentz. I am glad he got the experience at NE, and I am certain he learned a lot and I think we can even see evidence of its influence (at times) at Iowa. But, this idea that his experience with Belichick has shaped him as a coach is ridiculously overblown. Brian has spent a total of 10 years as a coach, only 3 of which were in New England. And two of those weren't even as a full-blown position coach. He was an "offensive coaching assistant, followed by assistant position coach (TEs), followed by one year as the full position coach (TEs).

The reality is whether he "deserves" or has "earned" the shot at the Iowa HC position or not, his ascendancy will be dependent on the manner in which KF exits the program. If KF goes out on a series of high notes - by which I mean multiple seasons better than 2018 - it will be Brian's to have. But I think that if we continue along this path of 7-5/8-4, then honestly it will be time to look elsewhere.

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therealCatnuts's picture

We agree in general, but I think you are very far off in saying his TE Coach experience has had anything but demonstrated roaring success in his two years as OC at Iowa. In his first year it was Fant’s breakout as possibly the best TE in the nation, then the second year he somehow found another guy on the roster to be even better than Fant and win the Mackey award as the second Sophomore to ever win the award. You simply can’t find a better position dominance than that, save Oklahoma QBs winning consecutive Heismans. BTW, that’s the best example of a hand-chosen OC withbno HC experience getting unnecessarily handed the HC job and succeeding with it. I am no fan of nepotism but that would be a great outcome for sure.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

"roaring success" as OC?  A few times maybe, but man, putting that phrase with Brian as OC is the definition of hyperbole.  I hope you're being only partially serious here...and with the "great outcome for sure" line too.

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olivecourt's picture

There are some really good points here, but it's worth asking: if you were the AD at Maine, would you hire Brian Ferentz to be your coach for three years? Because it seems like you're screwed either way. If he comes in and is really successful, he's going to leave when KF retires, and is that going to be 5+ years from now? And if he comes in and isn't successful, then he isn't successful. It seems like a very limited-upside move unless you're happy with a rental coach. That question becomes even more difficult with a MAC-level program as opposed to FCS.

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Chuck Long Duk Dong's picture

that’s a dilemma almost all MAC-level and FCS schools face. 

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therealCatnuts's picture

Drop the “almost” and we agree 

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Hayden High Kick's picture

That’s probably the situation for most schools at that level. I think if I were an AD at those schools I’d get the best rental I could find and hopefully if you strong enough good rentals together you build enough success to make successful coaches want to stay.

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WaterlooChazz's picture

I suspect that, for most low D1 and many FCS programs, if you get a coach that does something big in his 3 or 5 years (like make the FCS Playoffs, and win some games there), you get a nice bounce in donations and maybe attendance that makes it all worthwhile, even if that guy leaves after those 3 or 5 years.

For some of those programs, if they never get that success and bounce, then the Athletic Director is probably out on his/her ass after about the same amount of time (or maybe 7 or 10 years).

For instance, despite UNI having four or five programs that are decent-to-pretty-good (football, wrestling, mens hoops, volleyball, and now womens hoops), we are on our 3rd Athletic Director in about ten or eleven years.

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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Kirk Ferentz's Notecard's picture

I disagree...the best place for him to learn how to be a head coach is right next to a future hall of famer and in the program he is going to lead.

If he leaves and doesnt immediately turn whatever program around or win immediately or other factors impact the results then people will say he isnt fit to be HC. These same people will then clamor for someone like Chuck Long, because reasons.

Would it be good to have HC experience? Yes. Is it necessary? No. Remind me what school Lincoln Riley was the HC of before he took over at Oklahoma? My point is that HC experience doesn't guarantee future success or that he even gets a crack at HC.

"Everybody got distracted by last week's game. Last week's game doesn't mean crap. It's what you do today." — Kirk Ferentz

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tyger1147's picture

I want him to go somewhere else because I'm not convinced he's qualified for the job. If he doesn't leave, I don't think they'll seriously consider another HC candidate. If he goes somewhere else, in the next two years, when the HC position comes open, I think there will be a slightly "fairer" search, and I think that can only be a good thing.

I mean, if he goes to Hillsdale college and doesn't win, why is it a bad thing that people will think he's not a good coach. If your argument is that, well, he's Brian Ferentz, so you should overlook any failings.... I'm not going to buy that. I don't think you should be able to fail upwards just because you're someone's son.

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Iagander's picture

There's two different arguments here, what is best for BF becoming a better potential HC, and what is the safest route for BF taking over for his dad. The safest career path for BF is definitely staying put as long as the program doesn't fall down.

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HoyaGoon's picture

Exactly right. My concern is that way too many fans have conflated what is best for the Feremtz Family and what may be best for the Iowa program

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tyger1147's picture

If this your resume... ugh:

I think Brian has the background and skillset to excel as a (future) Hawkeye head coach. In New England, he oversaw Gronk’s and (NAME REDACTED)’s development into the most explosive tight end pairing in NFL history. At Iowa, he has proven himself to be an effective ambassador/recruiter (and trash talker). And, in part, because of his innovative play calling, Iowa’s offensive production has jumped since the Greg Davis bubble screen days. 

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Vanilla Gorilla's picture

Bob Stoops line one....

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Brinzerian Wisdom's picture

I doubt moving on for a while is what is best for his career, and strongly doubt it will happen.

A lot of people seem to think that Kirk is jusr going to announce retirement some day. But he won't. At least not like that. This isn't going to be like what you see everywhere else.

To understand what will happen at Iowa, consider how monarchs transition between generations. They don't just up and abdicate out of the blue and then hope their child is the next king. Ny the time a wise King abdicates, his heir is already king in all but name.

We are about halfway through the transition. Brian has been brought into the inner circle and his influence and titles have increased every year. First it was position coach, then run game coordinator, then assistant oc, then oc. Now, he's prowling the sidelines next to his dad looking every bit the partner in rule. Next, he will be asst. head coach, and then co-head coach. And then, when Kirk retires, it will be like Brian's already been the coach for a while.

Kirk is many things, but he ain't no fool when it comes to the business of it all. Brian would be a fool to leave for some high risk opportunity to prove himself.

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HoyaGoon's picture

And the program, overall, will be the worse for it. Despite what far too many fans seem to believe, this is not Kirk’s team, it isn’t a family business or something he owns. Kirk holds the team in trust for the fans and the university. He should no more get to direct it after he is gone than anyone else.

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Brinzerian Wisdom's picture

Should's got nothing to do with it.  

Who's going to stop him?  Barta?  Big donors like Rastetter?  President Harreld?  They don't want to stop him.  Not a single one.  And as much as it's nice to think the average fan has a say in it, they do not.  Short of boycotts, for which there is no push or stomach for as far as I can see, Kirk hold the team in trust for the university and the boosters, and he has their complete and undivided trust, including allowing Kirk to transition power to his son according to his own plans and in his own time.  

The program, I don't think, will be any better or worse for it.  It will, as the powers that be want, stay largely the same.  It's hiring outside the program that's the greater risk.  It might end up the program is better off under new blood like Wisky or MSU, or it might be that we fall back into category of our peers and neighbors like Minny, Nebby, and Illinois and spend a decade or more in hell.  Hard to say.  And nobody with skin in the game is much willing to risk what they have now for it, especially when the potential to keep it going another generation is staring them in the face, making it so they don't have to make tough decisions and face consequences for it.

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tyger1147's picture

Yeah, you're right. What's best for Brian Ferentz's career is that he stick at Iowa as OC and hope his dad retires in the next 3-4 years when Iowa's offense is in the Top 7 of the B1G (because it won't be higher). He'll then be ushered into the HC position, and if he's got the stuff and he's lucky, he'll stick around.

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Brinzerian Wisdom's picture

I don't think there's any "hoping" about it.  Brian and Kirk are on the same page.  Brian knows what Kirk is going to do, and Kirk knows what Brian's going to do.

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nerdhawk's picture

Let's say, when Kirk finally scribbles in his notepad for the last time, that men's hoops is still "almost there" and wrestling is still "almost there".  Does the University think about making a change at AD as well? Maybe it'd be nice if the Henry B. and Patricia B. Tippie Director of Athletics Chair™ didn't have "Will settle out of court!" printed on their business card?

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Hayden High Kick's picture

A lot of comments are implicating that if BF goes to some place like Maine and doesn’t win a lot of games then he will be ruled out as an Iowa HC candidate. I don’t think that’s necessarily true or should be true. What was KF’s record at Maine? As long as he can prove he can competently run a college program he should be given serious consideration considering the vast difference in resources between Maine and Iowa. For the record, I don’t think there’s any way in hell BF leaves before getting a crack at the Iowa HC job. And I do think he could be a very good HC for Iowa. 

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WombatHat42's picture

You gotta remember how much has changed since KF was at Maine. Nowadays there are far fewer second chances and few programs willing to take “retreads” Its about what have you done recently?

Name any coach that left a P5 coordinator and took a job at a lower school and didn’t have a great record and still got a P5 HC position? 

The only one I can think of is Gill at buffalo but idrk if he counts cuz he took a job at Kansas (which he flames out at) where they’d hire my dog if given the chance. And now he’s then Liberty coach

if BF went somewhere and didn’t have a 500 record it’d be another 5-10 years as a coordinator before he got a shot at HC again and that’s only if he has a really good tenure

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therealCatnuts's picture

I do have one major quabble with the premise of the article. The idea seems to be that Kirk experienced the adversity and scrutiny of a HC at Maine and Brian is lacking that, but I’m 100% certain Brian has received more media and fan scrutiny and attention these last few years than Kirk ever dreamed of as HC at Maine. 

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

Compared to Maine?  Sure.

Overall, Brian lives a very sheltered, protected coaching life - as do most Iowa coaches.  The Iowa media has never been anything of a bear to deal with - EVER - so where's all this pressure and scrutiny?  It's clear the $$ people - the ONLY people that Buttfuck will listen to - are happy with the KF/Brian show, so that's all that really matters in the end.

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

-2?  Is the Iowa media and fanbase secretly and unknowingly demanding?

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WaterlooChazz's picture

I do hope that if/when Brian becomes Iowa HC, he starts at a lower pay rate.

Like, $1.5 mill or so per year to begin.  He doesn't deserve KF level cash to start, if his resume is New England and Iowa only.

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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therealCatnuts's picture

Lol $1.5M per year. What is this, 1998? 

/hates this status quo

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WaterlooChazz's picture

What do you think BF will get paid in year 1 as HC at Iowa, with no previous HC experience?

I'm sure I'm low, so I can live with $2 million per year.  More than that is unwarranted.

Tom Allen at Indiana is getting $1.8 million per year, with no previous college HC experience.

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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ncthawk's picture

Can we at least honor Kirk by giving him a 75 percent buyout clause?

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Herk Whatcha Mama Gave Ya's picture

All things considered, it would be nice if BF had some prior head coaching experiencing, assuming he ultimately succeeds Kirk at Iowa.

But it'd really just be nice because having a prior sample size is always nice (for fans), as is time for trial and error (for a coach). Is it necessary? No. Would I be overly concerned about BF not having it should he take over as Hawkeye HC? No.

I'm bullish on BF succeeding Kirk for a few big reasons (among others):

1) Seemingly everyone that has crossed his path in coaching circles (as well as those with knowledge who cover the game) have very positive reviews of his ability as a coach.

-The Patriots stuff is real, whether people want to downplay it because of the talent of Gronk & Hernandez or not, or given the fact that it came under a coach like Belichick. Both Gronk & Belichick have given BF praise when asked to evaluate him (Hernandez had no comment), and the uptick in production of the position group during Brian's tenure in New England was undeniable.

-Bill O'Brien badly wanted to hire BF when he took the Texans job.

-He coached some excellent OL groups and rushing attacks at Iowa during his time as OL coach/run game coordinator, and after switching his dual OC/position coach role from OC/RB's to OC/TE's this past season Iowa set program records for that position group, nabbing a Mackey Award and likely first round draft pick from a third year sophomore that everyone thought was the team's 2nd best TE entering the season.

2) I think he's a great blend of the stuff most Hawkeye fans love about the structure of the past 20 years, and the stuff that they might like to see progress as the program moves into the future.

-He's no-nonsense, tough as nails, and doesn't make excuses for himself or for his players.

-He possesses an inherent understanding of the challenges/limitations that come with this program in terms of geography, recruiting, etc. And not only does he understand them, but he accepts and embraces them. He wants to punch you in the face with those 'limitations' on Saturday until you cry uncle.

-But despite his roots (and father), Brian has also come up during a more modern era of the sport, cutting his chops, in part, under maybe the greatest coach of all-time in New England who has specialized in modernizing 'traditional' concepts and adapting to the current ways of the game. He has deep roots in the fundamentals for sure, which I'm all for. But he also seems far more comfortable, if not amenable to embracing some of the new age ideas than Kirk has been. In a lot of ways I think Brian could be the best of both worlds, which is exactly what I believe most Hawkeye fans want.

3) If he does turn out to be a very good coach (or better), maybe the most important thing is that BF figures to want to be in Iowa City. This is a program built on stability, but to have that you need a coach who embraces the unique environment. Iowa has been incredibly fortunate to find that in both of its last two head coaches. Brian feels like he could be that as well, and I wouldn't be psyched about the alternative scenario of Iowa becoming one of those 'middle tier' P5 jobs that has to worry about its head coach getting poached and/or replacing them three or more times every 15 years. That's not a recipe for success at a place like Iowa IMO.

Also, I enjoy BF's chestiness with some schools Iowa hopes to maintain the habit of beating up on (ISU, Nebraska, Minnesota, etc.) But that's just me.

These are all my positives of course. There are obviously a bevy of unknowns, as well as obstacles BF would need to face and overcome (as does any head coach, first-timer or not). He's not perfect right now, and he wouldn't be if/when the time comes that he takes over as HC of the Hawkeyes.

But I do think he is a very good coach in many respects right now, with the potential to be equally as good in a head coaching role. And I think he's uniquely suited to embrace and succeed as the leader of the Iowa program, whether he has previously captained a ship of own or not before assuming said role on the S.S. Kinnick.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

You raise a lot of points, but you're embellishing when you talk about the success of his OL groups and rushing attacks in his time as OL/running game coord. and then TE/OC roles.  It was either here or the other site, but Iowa's rushing attack has rarely been above average in all of KF's time here - including under Brian.  To believe otherwise is to ignore numbers that even I understand - and that includes the year with two 1,000-yard rushers.  To say that Bill O'Brien wanted him badly sounds great but as an original Texans fan who's familiar with the organization from the inside (not me, but several that DO work on Kirby Drive), that's just not true.  

He may well be an excellent Iowa HC (apparently it's tilting heavily in that direction that's he's going to get the next chance after KF is bye-bye?), but there's still seems to be quite a bit of embellishment about his perceived abilities vs. what he's actually produced.

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houksyndrome's picture

During the 2015 and 2016 seasons (BF was run game coordinator), Iowa averaged about 4.5 ypc.  That's about a half yard better than 2013, 2014, 2017 and 2018.  4.5 ranked about 50th, nationally, and 5th-6th in the Big Ten during those seasons.  Decent but not great.

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Herk Whatcha Mama Gave Ya's picture

So is 'embellishment' a substitute for 'context' now?

In 2015 (undefeated regular season aside), Iowa went through a medley of injuries to the RB position and up front, yet still managed to rush for a collective 2,500 yards (2,544) and 35 TD's on 4.5ypc.

A year later, Beathard is hindered by injury from the jump, Kittle is slowed by mid-year, and Vandeberg makes it 3+ games before he goes out for the season. Your QB can't move, there are neither healthy, nor capable receiving options to get open and/or throw the ball to, and everyone and their mother knows that you have to run the football. The result? 2,139 yards from your top two backs (5.6ypc) and 20 TD's.

Maybe I'm just embellishing the numbers, but that impresses me (completely leaving out the relative youth/inexperience of the coach behind it BTW).

And I appreciate that you say you're pretty informed on the Texans. I'm certainly not. But it's not me reporting that heavy interest existed from Bill O'Brien towards BF. It's something Scott Dochterman has spoken about on numerous occasions, and I tend to take his word for it.

I don't claim that Brian has been an all-world position coach or OC since his arrival at Iowa, but I also recognize the major positives (using that little thing called context) where they do exist.

Stanley is on pace to break the career passing TD record in just three seasons despite having thus far what everyone would admit to be a comparatively woeful WR corps for a P5 program. Iowa lost both 5th year senior starting offensive tackles in 2017 and still managed to stay afloat. The TE unit has seen a record-setting uptick in production over the past two seasons. In 2018 Iowa finished the year averaging 31.2ppg, the highest season ending mark since 2002.

And aside from all of those things, Brian still has plenty of room to grow and improve as a coach.

Funnily enough, both can be true.

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HawknEyedJoe's picture

If Kirk stayed for the remainder of his contract, BF would (theoretically) have 8 years OC experience.  Given the coaching turnover in these instant gratification days, that's an eternity.  Look at Eberflus, he was a successful coordinator for 1 season and he's already on everyone's HC shortlist.

This one's tough.  I'd like to see him stay for continuity and stability, but there sure have been a lot of Romeo Crennels over the years.

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Eyehawk's picture

Iowa has not had a championship in wrestling, basketball, or football for some time now. Whatever is decided when Kirk retires, winning a championship now and then should be the goal. I'm not sure that Brian is the answer for football.

Iowa obviously does not have a problem paying coaches well, so shoot high, Hawks!

Still waiting for 2nd FB NC.

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John Dumb Blog's picture

Dang, are we talking about football Natty's now? Someone wants to crank things to 11.

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WombatHat42's picture

To be fair, TCU and Boise state were just like Iowa until one year they shock the college world and at least TCU has been mentioned(although early season) in natty talk. 

Now why Iowa didn’t get the same kind of love when we went 12-0 idk bc iirc TCU got destroyed the year they almost did it and have been ranked since and Boise st almost took down Oklahoma(or did they win I don’t remember)

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John Dumb Blog's picture

The same group of teams have won the championship for the past 40 + years. Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC, LSU etc. The only teams remotely similar in my mind are Colorado/Georgia Tech 1990 and BYU in 1984. If Iowa had beaten MSU in the Big 10 championship they would've had to beat Alabama and Clemson in order to win a championship. In some ways I think the play off has made it more difficult for an outsider to win a title.

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Eyehawk's picture

Natty's legitimize a program for sure. They also make fans very happy. Nothing wrong with that. But I would first like to see B1G championships.

Still waiting for 2nd FB NC.

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Hayden High Kick's picture

Conference championship should be the goal every season. Anything that comes after that is just gravy. 

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HoyaGoon's picture

Absolutely. A conference championship is something entirely within the team’s control. The playoffs are in outside hands. Winning the former is the goal, everything else is an added bonus 

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Give Eddie a Beer's picture

Not anymore! Welcome home, Gary!

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chitownhawkeye's picture

Agreed so much with this.  I'm honestly surprised he's still here.  Even if he doesn't have a HC job, another OC job would at least show that he can be successful with out Belichick or this father.

In my mind, there is nothing in his resume that would justify him getting the HC job at a P5 school at this point.  He needs additional experience, more coaching connections, and ideally his own recruiting grounds

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houksyndrome's picture

He's not qualified for a HC job at Iowa currently.  In five years, though, he'd have seven years of OC experience.  If the offense thrives over the next several years, BF will be a reasonable candidate for the HC position.

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HoyaGoon's picture

How are you defining “thrive” here? BF is going to be the OC for that entire time, barring some truly unforeseen change in circumstances. If the offensive continues along with the same level of production it has had the first two years of his tenure, does that counting as “thriving”?

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houksyndrome's picture

No.  I mean some sort of obvious, undeniable improvement in the quality of our offense.

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houksyndrome's picture

Being consistently in the top 20, nationally, in yards per play or something like that.

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HoyaGoon's picture

He's got a long way to go in that case. Last year, Iowa ranked 91st in ypp at 5.44 per (and, ugh, Nebraska was 20th at 6.31 per). In 2017, Iowa was 108th at 5.12 ypp (20th place was Washington at 6.42). CFB stats only go back to 2009 (at least, those freely available). In that time, Iowa's best performance was in 2010 when we averaged 6.18 ypp. That year Iowa ranked 21st, the only time we've been above 55th in the years 2009-2018, and the only time Iowa averaged more than 6 ypp.

All stats from here: http://www.cfbstats.com/2018/leader/national/team/offense/split01/catego...

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houksyndrome's picture

Yep.  I agree.  I shudder to think about what this football program would be like without Phil Parker and Reese Morgan.

Neil Peart stands alone

Here, have some of these smelling salts.

HoyaGoon's picture

Agree 100%. Whoever the next coach is, his job is going to be worlds harder without Reese Morgan around. And, I think KF lasts all of 1 year, 2 at most, after Reese retires before deciding to hang it up himself.

And, honestly, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if, assuming that promotion from within is how we're determined to proceed once KF retires, PP got the head coach job for a few years.

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chitownhawkeye's picture

It would have a different set of coaches.

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chitownhawkeye's picture

That's always been my point.  With Kirk at the helm, is that likely?  I'd say no, it doesn't matter the personnel, the scheme doesn't really set itself up to be that successful.  So basically in my mind, if he stays the only reason to hire him as head coach is inertia.  Which is a terrible business reason, and yet we call know still happens. 

I truly believe he needs to leave, even if only for a couple of seasons.  Of course, if those seasons aren't successful, then it hurts the odds as well.  

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Klug's picture

Brett Beleima come to mind for me in this discussion. He had comparable coaching experience to Brian prior to being elevated to HC at Wisconsin (more years in assistant roles but no NFL experience). Beleima essentially followed Barry's formula at Wisconsin and was pretty successful and would likely still be HC if he stuck around. I think Brian would do much the same and keep his fathers basic philosophy with minor tweeks to adjust to the current game and I suspect he could be just as successful (8 wins the norm with occasional 10+ years).

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WombatHat42's picture

Although I don’t think BF needs a confidence boost by any means, getting a head coaching gig at somewhere to get experience would be a smart move. Go somewhere for 3 years or so, win and take over Iowa. The question is where would be wise to go fbs or fcs? Do you take a job at a smaller fbs school down south where you don’t have a foothold but expand your recruiting range when at Iowa? Or do you stick to where you you have that foothold and stick close to the Midwest? 

Go south and you aren’t able to develop that foothold you flame out and don’t even get offered Iowa. Stay Midwest and win, worst case we have KF reincarnate for 20 more years 

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Eyehawk's picture

I wouldn't even keep him as OC if the run game doesn't improve this coming year, let alone consider him for head coach. I'm not sold on him doing what he does now, yet.

Still waiting for 2nd FB NC.

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