#10 Michigan 74, Iowa 53: Avalanche

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chitownhawkeye's picture

You cannot win a game shooting 1 for 16 from 3.

You just can't.  Reffing blah blah inconsistent Michigan was on fire blah but they weren't.  Defense was not great, but it never is.  The bigs did their job, but that's just 3 guys.  Without anybody else...well, the 3 starting guards were 3 for 14.  That would be dismal for one person.  For all three combined, you just have no chance

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Hayden High Kick's picture

The four point play after halftime was the back breaker even if there was 17+ minutes left to play. Iowa was drawing fouls left and right, made some free throws, were playing not awful defense. You could kinda sorta see how they could work their way back into the game. And after everything was going right to start the 2nd half Michigan pushed their lead back to 13 in one play. 

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Chuck Long Duk Dong's picture

unlikely but hoping to fall to a 10 seed, stay off the dreaded 8/9 line. much rather play a 7 then 2 rather vs 8 then 1. 

anyone know the 9 seeds overall record in the tourney? can’t be good seems like a terrible draw. 

no more yankey Chuck's wankey

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HoyaGoon's picture

Don’t know about overall, but the 9 seed is essentially 50% in the first round games

That's why you're the judge and I'm the law-talking guy.

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schawkeye's picture

In history of NCAA First round is 47.5% overall 36.8%... Link.    It is exactly 50% since 1985 this year it expanded to 64.

But it really doesn't matter this team can't win 2 in a row against quality competition.  his record in B10 tourney and NCAA's.  He simply can't get his teams to play well at end of the year when it counts.  His lack of player development isn't good and is a reason.  His style of a team with basically no point guards is a reason.  

Frans goal of simply making the NCAA's was reached for the 4th time in 9 years.  I'm sure he will be rewarded with a contract extension and bump in pay.

Accepting that a Fertenz will be coaching Iowa for 50 years....

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Riles23's picture

and this particular team doesnt have a guard that is capable of playing through physicality on the perimeter.  If teams are aggressive against the guards, it throws the offense out of whack.  

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tyger1147's picture

They finished the season ranked #88 in the country via KenPom last year. They are #36 this year. What do you have ot point to for "lack of player development"?

meh

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

The fact that their defense is still terrible; that their defense still goes the way of their offense; that they still have not developed full NBA-talented guys...

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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Chuck Long Duk Dong's picture

found it per Hlas: 8-seeds are 13-55 in second-round games. 9-seeds are 7-61

no more yankey Chuck's wankey

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houksyndrome's picture

It's like all of our players come from a foreign land where there are no ball screens, perplexed by the strange battle strategies and powerful magic of the invading army.

Neil Peart stands alone

Here, have some of these smelling salts.

HoyaGoon's picture

Well, that sucked. Flush it and move on

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ScheelTheBurn's picture

Bleh. Cold, cold shooting night. But you can't blame their energy. Felt like guys were really attacking, Cook and especially Garza looked sharp often. Just can't expect a win when nothing drops from 3 and the bench doesn't contribute. Feel OK if we can continue the intensity into the tournament , but this team needs clutch shooters to make their shots.

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Beltway Hawk's picture

Yeah, Cook was taking it to the rim and passing pretty well, and Garza was fierce, at least on the offensive end (and I blame most of his late close outs on threes on other perimeter players who were totally awol on defense), but Jbo, Wieskamp and Baer didn’t produce. We can’t win when that happens, even if we do play good defense...which we didn’t. 

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

Cook can be an excellent passer around the lane when he's locked in and reading the defensive double/triple-teams; he's never been a good, consistent passer outside of about 10 feet from the hoop (such as in transition).

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Riles23's picture

Honestly, i thought the first half was the best half of basketball they've played in a long time (Illinois excluded due to their suckiness) but they just didnt make shots.

The 2nd half was a reversion to the basketball they've played the last few weeks.   Just don't have a counter for one teams are physical with the guards on the perimeter.  completely destroys any offensive flow.

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the notorious r.d.m.'s picture

Lunardi's updated bracket has Iowa at the 9 seed in Virginia's bracket. So good news, if Iowa gets past the 8 seed they'll get 16 seed Norfolk.

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Hawk Guy's picture

Hahaha, well played.

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Strongarm BJ's picture

I went to the Iowa-Virginia NIT game so many years ago now, where Iowa won with a freshman point guard named Mike Gesell. It was great, left that game very hopeful about the program...  . . .    .  .  .        .   .   .

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Hayden High Kick's picture

Iowa and Virginia’s programs have gone in different directions since that game. 

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Franwich's picture

- Our first game against Michigan came after us having most of the week off, and they didn't. This game was the reverse. Beilein even mentioned that. It doesn't excuse our 2nd half lack of passion, but it helps explain why each team could win by 20.

- On the replay the B!0 kept showing of Teske's block and then slam, what's remarkable was how hard Teske was running down the floor, passing right by a TROTTING Tyler Cook. I like TC for his skills, and he seems a good kid, but his (and Moss's) regular "walkabouts" are infuriating. They both have talent which can't be ignored, but I honestly believe that next year we'd be better without either.  . . . .Remember how well the whole group played when TC sat out those two games.  I agree with Crispin - this group need's Pemsl's toughness and attitude.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

Uh, it's not hard to not only ignore but miss Moss's talent altogether when he's not on a hot streak; TC's talents are clouded by lack of sharply-developed skills in any one facet of his game.  Neither are NBA guys.

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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Fitzwell's picture

Snows off the yard, Hawk's in the tournament, good time cleanup the dog mess in the yard . Tired of another wasted winter watching Fran's crap programs accomplishments.

Fitzwell

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Hawk Guy's picture

Michigan is beating the holy hell out of Minnesota. Like, worse than they did to Iowa yesterday.

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houksyndrome's picture

Simpson is 3/4 from three point range.  When he is hitting threes, that team is insane.  

Neil Peart stands alone

Here, have some of these smelling salts.

houksyndrome's picture

Also, Minnesota is currently 1/11 from three point range.  We were, what, 1/16?  So that's 2/27 for their opponents in two BTT games.  Phenomenal perimeter defense.

Neil Peart stands alone

Here, have some of these smelling salts.

Hawk Guy's picture

Yep. Sometimes lost on a fan base is that it’s possible to play a better team with more talent that has everything working...doesn’t necessarily have any reflection of our team

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Garydolphinisarealdolphin's picture

Although I’d say our fan base is one of the more measured & realistic/rational fan bases out there, emotions can take over. Throwing aside some pretty established deficiencies with this team / coach, I was thinking along those same lines after this loss.  I’d be willing to bet if Michigan keep playing like they did against us, they might be a Final Four team, which we simply aren’t. Reminded me a little bit of getting knocked out of the tournament in a loss to the eventual NCAAT Champions Villanova in 2016. Would have been nice to win, but you can’t get too upset about what wasn’t meant to be.

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Hawk Guy's picture

I think our fan base on this site is amongst the more realistic and rational fan bases, but the crazies of all kinds are on Twitter.

I think your point about losing to Nova a few years ago is spot on. When taking Fran’s “inability to get to the Sweet 16” in account, you kinda have to consider who we lose to.

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Thresherboy's picture

I think the same thing can be said of our loss to Gonzaga in the tourney.

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Hawk Guy's picture

Absolutely

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

His inability to reach the Sweet Sixteen would be overcome and defeated if he made it simpler for himself:  end the February/March swoons and stay away from the 8-12 seedings.

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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Hawk Guy's picture

Also true. We definitely lost a game or two that we shouldn’t have and it cost us the opportunity to avoid someone like Duke in the second round.

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tyger1147's picture

I like how all the haters come out when Iowa loses to a legitimate national title contender that played one of its best defensive games all year. There were a couple of bad losses (in terms of names and in terms of results, Rutgers/Maryland), but the team is ranked #36 in KenPom and were #88 in KenPom last year. For a coach that "doesn't develop players", that seems a pretty big improvement. As much intermittent hate* Cook gets, the team will miss him a lot next year if he leaves. But they're still likely to be a very good team.

*maybe not hate, but people are always lamenting what he can't do.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

People have discussed the player development thing off and on for years - I don't believe it's only after losses but I guess it could be.   Other season-long topics include:  poor guard recruitment; lack of team quickness/speed; inability to build a talent-balanced roster; refusal to call timeouts to stem opponents runs; insane ability to miss 8-10 layups per game - while creating at least 3-4 "And-1's" nightly (and some nights more on both ends!).

I personally like Fran's passion and commitment (the chasing down of the ref is 100% unacceptable - but the other whining about his temper is bullshit), but after nine years - and now well into his third-generation roster of "his guys", it's becoming clearer and clearer that he's unlikely to be able to take Iowa's program any further than he has already.

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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Hawk Guy's picture

I think it depends on how much you buy into him turning the program around after Lickliter. Personally, I’m willing to give him another two years. You could call me delusional or naive, and hell, you could turn out being correct, but I don’t believe that this is his ceiling.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

I don't know about firing him now even if Iowa COULD/WOULD fire him.  He'll get AT LEAST two  more years (barring committing murder on video - at which case Barta may suspend him for four games or something - just his "second" Barta suspension), so there's no real reason to entertain any thought of him being replaced.  What WILL happen is attendance will continue to sag if/when they start their swoons against good teams...

I could see KF leaving his post before I see Fran getting canned...

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Hawk Guy's picture

I’m hoping we see Barta leave before either KF or Fran leave. I feel way more comfortable with status quo than I do about Barta making any sort of significant hire.

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Ronnie's Bookie's picture

I think it's important to have a reference point regarding attendance "continuing to sag." 

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attendanceYBYtop25...

I'm unsure of the accuracy of this report, but it seems legit. Assuming it's legit...

In 1988, average attendance was 15,500. Most would say that was a darn good year for Iowa basketball, making the Sweet 16. Average attendance exceeded 15,000 in 89, 90, 92, 93, 94, 95, and 96. It dipped below 15,000 in 97 until 2000, 01 and 02. In 03, attendance dropped below 14,000, below 13,000 in 04, and below 12,000 in 05. By 2007, we were no longer in the top 25 and would not reappear until 2013, when we had 13,625 per game.

In 2014, we had 14,976. In 15, totaled 14,101; and in 16 had 13,835. We sagged below 13,000 in 2017 and dropped from the top 25 in 2018.

From the data, it seems that attendance has "sagged" since Dr. Tom left, with Fran starting to put some life back into it.

55-24.

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schawkeye's picture

Fran has reached his ceiling.  His inability to lead guys from Dec to march and having them peak is on record his. Fran did a nice job at resurrecting the program.  Pretty much anybody hired could have a less than .500 big10 record. As far as results, *name redacted* did just as much. Albeit he turned out to be a piece of trash.  

His players that he brings in are nice pieces and will always turn out to be +/- .500 club in b10 play.   9 years is plenty of time to see what we have.  If we want to be a fledgling program that will have a couple very good wins a year with an occasional NCAA bid and then a one and out, then Frans our man.  

The huge/real issue is that we can't get rid of him.  Not because of money, image etc.  It's because I have no confidence the next coach that our current AD will bring in will be any better or the contract he signs will be so one sided it would tie the program up for another decade and not in a good way.  

So its status quo for Iowa hoops. 

Accepting that a Fertenz will be coaching Iowa for 50 years....

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Ronnie's Bookie's picture

name redacted* did just as much.

In 1998-99, Dr. Tom's final team went 20-10, 9-7 in the Big Ten, was a #5 seed in the NCAA, and lost in the Sweet 16 to UConn--who won the championship that year. In Dr. Tom's last four seasons, his teams had over 20 wins per season and made the NCAA tournament 3 years and the NIT once.

Lickliter's final season was 10-22, 4-14 in the Big Ten, and didn't make a tourney during his entire tenure. Lickliter oversaw the worst 3 year stretch in program history.

Fran doing a "nice job at resurrecting the program" is irreconcilable with doing "just as much" as Redacted.

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Fitzwell's picture

Last weekend Bluder's Bunch played three quality teams in three consecutive days. Blunder had her team ready , she only needed seven players . Her point guard was playing at 5'3" (yeah right) with two knees that were patched up
They played with more emotion and poise than this men's team will ever possess. We will probably have Fran for two more years but tell me when if ever has his team show anything close to what Bluder did last weekend?

Fitzwell

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Hawk Guy's picture

Name a player that we’ve had on the men’s team that is even in the same stratosphere as Gustafson.

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Ronnie's Bookie's picture

Maybe Ronnie Lester or Roy Marble?

Gustafson probably distinguishes herself from that crowd, too.

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RossWB's picture

Fran hasn't had a player as outstanding as Gustafson, true, but isn't that also a point in favor of Bluder in terms of her ability to recruit and develop talent? Gustafson was ranked 80th overall in ESPN's recruiting rankings in 2015 -- she wasn't projected to be a superstar, let alone turn into the best player in school history and a major National Player of the Year contender. Part of that is just luck (no one imagined Gustafson would blossom to this extent, not even the Iowa staff), but I'd say the staff deserves some credit for her development, too. 

Beltway Hawk's picture

yeah she's sort of our Frank Kaminsky. Unless I'm completely mistaken, neither Frank nor Megan was as high ranked a recruit as Tyler Cook was. But she did have the background of HS productivity, good body frame for a post player, and great work ethic. The combination still became more than the sum of these good parts and she really developed like crazy, in a similar fashion to Kaminsky (although I want to say she actually developed into a superstar more quickly). Definitely also props to the coaches for her development. 

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