Barta Goes 'Full Barta' in Iowa-ISU Marching Band Fiasco

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Mike Jones's picture

Such a well written piece but then I get to the end and find that there is zero mention of Biff Poggi.

Hawkeye Compliance is stalking me on Twitter.

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HoyaGoon's picture

Florida Man gonna Florida

Just another garbage commenter spreading my *sshole all over the internet.

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krotto07's picture

This post needs Awesome Points

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Give Eddie a Beer's picture

Which job are you referring to: University of Iowa Athletic Director, or College Football Playoff Selection Committee member?

Kirk Ferentz: "The biggest thing I have is the length. It’s going to be boring as can be."

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HoyaGoon's picture

What about the job of: Human Being with Base Level Competency for Any Social Interactions? Because I've seen no evidence he's qualified for that one either

Just another garbage commenter spreading my *sshole all over the internet.

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sailorjerry's picture

You know I was thisclose to having that blocked out, but thanks for the reminder.  He will have so many more media req's later this year and so many opportunities to speak out....I just....I don't know if there's enough brown liquor on this continent.

I miss 2009. And the football team too.

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Realmakoi's picture

Lots of documentation collected through years of dumpster diving, bugging offices, giving out nanny cams as gifts, tracing accounts on Ashley Madison, and putting gps tracers on vehicles of high-powered individuals. He's not above entrapment either. Pretty much the only files he doesn't keep are the files that are part of his actual job. Stalking takes too much of his time.
On the bright side, he might find a way for a 3-loss Iowa team to make the playoff this year.

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BunnySelfDestruct's picture

This has been happening to both bands for years. The thing that recently changed is that the Hawkeye Marching Band now falls under the purview of the Iowa Athletic Department. As a result it's now Gary's responsibility to deal with this when it happens. The only hope of this actually moving the needle is if one of the students in question takes legal action against the athletic department, which probably won't happen.

Instead we just get another line item on the "Gary Barta is a detestable human being... but money!" list.

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Xarin's picture

This has been happening to both bands for years.

Shitty fans have been rough on both bands, but racial slurs, sexual assault, and physical assault resulting in hospital trips are new as far as I know. The worst I'd heard of before this was instrument damage, which is still pretty bad, but nowhere near the shit that seems to have happened this year. 

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Brinzerian Wisdom's picture

If I was a band member, I'd think about suing the crap out of Barta and the university.  Normally, it probably wouldn't be a very good lawsuit because you'd have to prove negligence.  But Barta's a walking liability, and would give away the farm in pre-hearing depositions.

Atty:  Can you tell us what kind of safety protocols you have for the band that you send into hostile environments?

Barta:  Sure.  First things first, it's all about moving forward to future events. Some times things happen, but they are really difficult to determine when, or why, and often it can be hard to verify details about what might be a threat.  So we focus on moving forward to the next event.

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HoyaGoon's picture

Close, but not quite:

Atty:  Can you tell us what kind of safety protocols you have for the band that you send into hostile environments?

Barta:  Well, I could, but I neglected to write them down. I do not expect to have any further comments on the matter. 

Just another garbage commenter spreading my *sshole all over the internet.

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Brinzerian Wisdom's picture

Love it.  Might want to add a bit about how the band members were never really well liked around campus, anyway, and probably deserved it for being so bitchy.

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HoyaGoon's picture

Nah, Barta would never be so direct as to say that. Instead, he'd leave it to the sportswriters he's buddy'ed up to over the years to make that argument for him

Just another garbage commenter spreading my *sshole all over the internet.

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BrimstoneBaritoneAntiCycloneRollingStone's picture

he'd leave it to the sportswriters he's buddy'ed up to

This is the only explanation I can think of for why no local sportswriters here ever badmouth him. How can anyone with an objective perspective view the facts of Barta's scandal filled tenure and conclude he is deserving of keeping his job? Not to draw attention away from Bubmlenuts but the writers here need to do their job and call him out when shit like this happens.

There is no fucking drummer better than Neil Peart

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pahawkfan's picture

Wouldn't your first civil target be Iowa State?  

Badgers? We don't need no stinkin' Badgers.

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Break like the wind's picture

Gary Barta is a a dumpster fire disguised as a clown.  

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imadirtyoldman's picture

That's being a little too generous to both dumpster fires and clowns.

But what if you know a Stacy, and her Mom's a fucking troll?

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Costco Card Rammin' Greg Davis's picture

Gary Barta and Kirk Ferentz speak the same language. They both mastered the arts of non-answers and well-placed omissions.  One is good at his job and is a good human being. One is not. When the good one is the bad one's employee, the bad one stays. The opposite could never be true. I think we know what needs to happen here.

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Hawktober's picture

Kirk should threaten to resign unless Barta is fired?

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Brinzerian Wisdom's picture

That would do it.  Kirk's mere threat to resign could take down almost anyone at the U, including the Pres.

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Hawkeye82's picture

Sadly, this is true.  I wish I could say we are NOT Penn State, but like a lot of power 5's, we are.

Just scratchin' where it itches

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ReadingRambler's picture

Honestly, that's exaggerated. And I admit it irritates me because I'm from Pennsylvania.

Everyone outside Pennsylvania focuses on the narratives about 2001, without focusing on 2011.

So let's talk about 2011.

The indictments against Sandusky, Curley, and Spanier come down. The Attorney General of Pennsylvania announces that Paterno did not do anything to warrant indictment, because he had fulfilled his legal obligations. However, media and public criticism against Paterno immediately began, with people saying he had failed his moral obligations. (Paterno later told Joe Posnanski: "...I wish I'd done more," so take that for what it's worth. That sounds like a moral failure to me.)

So that's where things stood. What happened after that? I mean, you would think that since football coaches run everything, that Paterno would get off scot free - after all, he's got this Did Nothing Wrong card from the state, right? Well, Paterno announced that his usual Tuesday morning football press conference would be dedicated to the topic of the Sandusky affair and his role therein. The university immediately announced that this press conference was cancelled. Paterno spent the rest of the day in silence, until the university sent a courier to tell him he was fired.

The idea that a coach can do whatever he wants is absolute tosh, especially in light of the fact that this so called God of Central Pennsylvania couldn't even save himself. And the exaggeration of their influence is getting to be a bit much.

I genuinely believe that MAJOR college football teams WERE dominated by the coaches up until probably the 80s and 90s. But now they are highly sophisticated and almost self-perpetuating systems. It's only the dumb ones (like Ole Miss) who get caught and punished, or the ones who don't do anything about a major pervert criminal. One reason I get so angry at the NCAA is that they still claim they were ridding PSU of its "football culture," under the pervert enablers, and yet now PSU spends twice as much money on football as they did in 2011. It's a farce. This whole thing is a sham. Am I really supposed to believe another crime like that couldn't happen, in light of how transparently fraudulent PSU's "transition" to awareness has been? The only comfort I have is that they did change some of the procedural criminal law as a result.

And let's look at Ohio State. Meyer was accused of lesser negligent acts, and Ohio State did what Penn State probably should have done: they suspended him and waited for the press to cool down. I mean, let's be real: Ohio State didn't care about that guy's wife any more than PSU cared "about the children." But Ohio State learned from PSU's PR debacle and let the media narratives pick some new thing to talk about. (If I were Penn State, I would have let Paterno talk at that press conference and then suspended him, probably before asking him to resign)

Long story short, I was in PA at the time, I heard all the criticism at the time, and I don't think football coaches, in this day and age, have nearly the street cred people ascribe to them. But I guarantee you this: inept administrators (like Barta) and corrupt ones (like Tim Curley) are perfectly happy to let the coaches have this reputation!

But all this aside, yeah, Ferentz isn't gonna resign to get Barta out. LOL

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Garydolphinisarealdolphin's picture

Looking back and being very in tune to the news about the PSU Sandusky scandal at the time, one thing that still shocks me a bit about it is (a) the (appropriate) severity of the punishments considered during the immediate aftermath, from a complete blackout wherein no PSU games would be televised for at least a full year, to even going so far as completely shutting down & discontinuing the PSU football program completely and (b) the fact that the NCAA all of a sudden decided to just end the sanctions before PSU served them out fully, e.g., "you know about all of the penalties imposed for that whole child sex thing?  Well, we think it has been long enough that people have forgotten about it, and if not, we would like to start getting revenue from your success & bowl game attendance, so, yeah, we can just forget about it all - you don't have to worry about those anymore!"

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sailorjerry's picture

He certainly is more powerful, but could be AD by now if he wanted it.  Clearly, he likes keeping Barta around for the less likeable parts of the job so he can coach football.  I honestly think they get along fine.  Put yourself in KF shoes, you could have a guy you control under your thumb who is not great at his job but it's usually not really your problem...or you could have an AD who is a little stronger, more of a go-getter, more power hungry but then you have to report to that, compete with that, etc.  It's clear to see how we have ended up where we are.

I miss 2009. And the football team too.

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DrHawks's picture

I was in the band for four years and played in Ames twice.  The behavior the band experienced is not typical of their fans nor of traveling to away games in general.  I had several positive encounters with ISU fans when I was in the band for both wins and losses in Ames.  The majority of their fans are good people in my experience.

There are two things I would point out about this issue.  First, I am not surprised that it was a group of adult men (not students) who acted like this.  I have a lot of experience traveling to away games (over 40 different stadiums so far) and this is pretty consistent.  The people who act out against visitors are almost always adult men.  This isn't kids being kids - these are adults acting maliciously as an internalized part of their fan experience.

Second, while what happened in Ames is absolutely not typical of their fan base, the vitriol represented here is a statement to how incredibly toxic this series has become.  This series does not benefit the state.  It benefits executives at companies like Iowa Corn and HyVee who use it to consolidate soft political power.  Iowa's three public universities all serve important roles in the development of the state and provide important public services to our community.  When administrators at ISU cheer on burning Iowa flags at pep rallys and their coaches endorse the "actually helping farmers" bullshit, how can we say this isn't toxic?  If this series is meant to help the state of Iowa then we need leadership who uses this as a chance to bring our two institutions together, demonstrate how all three of Iowa's public universities are important to our state, and provide opportunities for collaboration and public service.  Iowa, ISU, and UNI share a common mission to serve the state of Iowa, and right now the tenor of the rivalry is anathema to that.  

The Iowa-ISU series can be enjoyable and productive for the state of Iowa, but I do not think leadership at either institution is mature or motivated enough to make that happen.  Iowa's administration needs to get its house in order and ISU needs to grow up.  The people of the state are good, we just need leadership that treats this as something other than a fight over the wallets of regional millionaires.  

Formerly KC_Hawkeye

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Hawktober's picture

I read a comment today on BHGP from an ISU blogger who I believe to be credible and trustworthy.  He said that the general atmosphere in and around Trice on game day was the most cordial he's seen (I'm paraphrasing, not quoting) at a Cy-Hawk game in Ames.  Assuming he saw a representative sampling of fans at the game, then I don't believe the vitriol seen online from anonymous posters should be seen as any of the potential reasons to cancel the series.  You may be right about your other points, but I don't think there is a general toxic relationship between the fanbases.

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DrHawks's picture

I think that the majority of Iowa and ISU fans can get along just fine.  My concern is that nobody in a position of leadership seems willing to do anything to curb the toxic behavior of the lowest common denominator (and the leaders at one institution seem hellbent on encouraging them).  It is one thing to have some friendly back and forth, but the incident with the band highlights the fact that the worst behavior of fans in this rivalry is either ignored or encouraged because what matters is getting that sponsorship money.  We need better leaders who actually care about the joint mission of Iowa's three major public universities and can steer this game in a direction that truly benefits the state.  

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olivecourt's picture

I haven't been to a Cy-Hawk game since 2002 (that one will make you want to stay away forever), so I can't speak to the gameday atmosphere. But I think you're 100% right that the rivalry has become completely toxic, egged on by Pollard and unrestrained by Barta. I think I wrote a long comment about this on GIA or BHGP years ago, but until the last 5-7 years I never, ever thought to compare the enrollments of Iowa State and Iowa, or to count the number of in-state students at each school. I never gave a second of attention to the capacity of Jack Trice or whether or not they sold beer or if they renovated their end zone. I never cared how the level of funding Iowa got from the Board of Regents compared to Iowa State's.

But some bizarro-world group of ISU fans have decided that these are the issues they want to stake the rivalry on. It's not about Ferentz vs. Campbell or Niang vs. Uthoff. It's about enrollment numbers. Everything good that happens to one institution is a victory over the other.

You can say it's fringe or it's all online or whatever. But the people making these claims are vocal, visible, and egged on by Pollard at every opportunity. I don't live in central Iowa but three of my close friends who do who say Iowa State week has essentially become unbearable at their workplaces. I think DrHawks is right to say that the "it's good for the state crowd" is basically counting gate receipts/sponsorship money and nothing else.

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HoyaGoon's picture

But some bizarro-world group of ISU fans have decided that these are the issues they want to stake the rivalry on. 

Been reading WRNL, have you? You really shouldn't, it's bad for you. 

Just another garbage commenter spreading my *sshole all over the internet.

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olivecourt's picture

I haven't in a few years but I'm not surprised they're still beating that drum, if in fact that are.

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Garydolphinisarealdolphin's picture

I want to agree with the sentiments that Iowa/ISU fans get along just fine, the vitriol / toxicity isn't representative of the typical (ISU) fan, etc., and while, yes, there is a large group of ISU fans who are good fans, I would also say that there is an equally large group of ISU fans whose hatred for Iowa & vitriol doesn't rise to the level of assaulting a band member, but it is nonetheless at a level which is inappropriate and unhealthy, and WRNL is indicative.

Do Iowa sites like GIA, BHGP, etc., poke fun or throw some shade at ISU? During Hate Week, sure, but outside of that, it is pretty non-existent.  I have visited WRNL at various times to see what the ISU fans are saying about this or that, and I always wish I hadn't, because it seems that every third - fifth story is a story making fun of / taking cheap shots at Iowa.  This isn't during Hate Week - this is year round.  Also, these anti-Iowa pieces aren't comments from random fans in the peanut gallery - this is content provided by their staff of paid writers.  So ask yourself, why does this happen?  The answer is simple, and that is, the writers at WRNL know that there is a large constituency of ISU fans that crave this low brow, anti-Iowa hit piece junk, and THEY ARE GIVING THE FANS WHAT THEY WANT!!!!  Those stories get clicks, eyeballs, comments, etc.  

And this is a common theme.  The AHF thing.  ISU's athletic department pretty obviously ripping off Iowa's season theme, e.g., "Fight for Iowa", the "It's A Cyclone State" billboard outside of Iowa City.  Again, why does this happen?  Why do they do this?  Again, it is because they know the ISU fans love this stuff - the feed on it, crave it, respond to it, want to see it - it gets positive reactions, donations, etc. 

Thus, while certain of us may say "c'mon guys, this is a healthy, good natured rivalry, and the vast majority of ISU fans don't have an anti-Iowa fixation, don't actively root against Iowa, don't derive joy from seeing Iowa fail outside of the Cy-Hawk game", I would say that the actions of WRNL as well as the ISU Athletic Dept suggest if not establish the opposite.  So, ISU finally, FINALLY has the national spotlight, are finally thrown a bone with Gameday, are finally getting some credit and legitimacy....and what happens, it is all spoiled by losing in perhaps one of the most embarrassing fashions I can remember seeing....and not to Oklahoma or Texas....but to IOWA?!?!  Yeah, that has to trigger some pretty raw, if not inappropriate, feelings, which would lead to what happened with the band.

In addition to other valid points raised, ending the Cy-Hawk series would allow ISU & its fans to form a program identity that is healthy and not focused on hating Iowa. Yes, it is time to start seeing other people.

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SirNicholas33's picture

This sentence

Iowa's administration needs to get its house in order and ISU needs to grow up.

is so on the nose. Unfortunately, both schools employ ADs that are incapable of doing what you prescribe. Barta is too much of a doofus to get Iowa's athletic department in order, plus he has Harreld in his corner so it will remain a cluster. Pollard has some visions for Iowa State and has largely been good for them, but he is too immature to allow Iowa State to ever be more than a "play the greatest hits to poke Iowa at every turn" operation, which his supporters lap up and regurgitate on places like WRNL and Cyclone Fanatic. That sucks, but it's where we are.

I'm from Des Moines originally and the series has always felt hot, and I'm not sure people from other parts of the state really grasp how hot this series can get. Iowa State really, truly hates Iowa. The series needs a break. But we all know it will continue, with a few minor tweaks here or there to make things "safer," and it will be like this never happened. Checks will continue to be cashed and, you know, whatever. I'll be stunned if anything substantive happens.

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

I have full confidence that Pollard is 100x's the administrator that Barta could ever dream of being.

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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SirNicholas33's picture

Oh no question. He's a FAR better AD than Barta. Not even close.

He's still immature and eggs a lot of this on. It gets the supporters fired up and circles the wagons. Anytime they need a bit of a boost, tweaking Iowa is the go-to move. He could shut it down, but he doesn't.

Comedy is where the mind goes to tickle itself.

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Realmakoi's picture

I'm pretty sure I agree, but I lost all the documentation of Barta's incompetence.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

Patrick Vint hasn't - just look around this site...

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HoyaGoon's picture

Fire Gary Barta

. . . into the Sun.

Just another garbage commenter spreading my *sshole all over the internet.

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BrimstoneBaritoneAntiCycloneRollingStone's picture

I don't think even the Sun is hot enough to burn away all of his transgressions.

There is no fucking drummer better than Neil Peart

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olivecourt's picture

Re: your update and the idea that Harreld might be ready to be the adult in the room... I'm not too optimistic. First, it helps to have the full context of his response. You can play BS crisis management bingo with this one: we're going to have conversations! We're going to sit down and make a plan! It's nice that he's put the hard line out there about not continuing the series in order to bring people to the table, but I have little to no confidence that he would actually stick to that stance.

And then the end of that video I posted makes me want to throw my computer through a wall. He says he frustrated that this happened in Ames but he feels like Iowa is getting blamed because they stopped the investigation. THAT'S BECAUSE YOU STOPPED THE INVESTIGATION! IT'S BECAUSE YOU EMPLOY GARY BARTA! I'm sorry that makes you sad, but that's why it was dumb to extend Barta in the first place. I have neither sympathy for nor trust in Harreld. 

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I was also less than enthused by his full response.  Unfortunately the click-baity short tweet/headline is 'Harreld suggests ending cy-hawk' but all he is really saying is the bare minimum a la-any university shouldn't host any special event if they can't guarantee people's safety.  Well, ok great but maybe go on in a bit more detail to describe a school out west that has built a huge stadium in the middle of a field of parking lots that they don't need and won't regularly fill outside of one game every other year that they and their host town clearly have neither the infrastructure nor the police presence to adequately maintain and supervise.  Or point out that if they have the tools to host such an event, then they clearly lack the motivation to use them and maintain order, thereby enabling violence against their visitors and we won't stand for it.  

I mean, if you're gonna take the high ground (and I'm all for it) then get up and take the high ground.  Or at least make an actual demand with your politically correct please everyone statement.  Just say "Unless and until these conversations happen with all the right people agreeing upon all the right terms we aren't playing this game again."  That has some teeth.  That sends a message to your people that you have their back.  This....I don't know what the hell this is supposed to be and clearly neither do they.

I miss 2009. And the football team too.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

Harreld's been a steadfast, "fuck-off and keep your money if you don't like him" backer of Barta for quite awhile.  How in the HELL could anyone with a lick of sense believe anything that Harreld says?  He's no better than Barta, for all intents and purposes.

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HoyaGoon's picture

*intensive porpoises 

Just another garbage commenter spreading my *sshole all over the internet.

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DC_HAWK's picture

I don't think that the University's first statement, which did not release a lot of detail, was inappropriate at the time. Its perfectly acceptable for the University to issue a statement stating that it was investigating wrongdoing without elaborating on specifics, particularly when it is criminal in nature. I think it only looks bad in retrospect, having later shut down the "investigation" without doing anything.

Much more importantly, I want to know whether the University of Iowa dissuaded any of the band's members from contacting Story County/Iowa State University Police Department. I don't know whether it was linked in this story above, but sometime after the band members went public the University of Iowa sent the band members an email listing a bunch of phone numbers regarding how to follow up and get help if they were assaulted. I was startled when the Story County Police Department was not one of the phone numbers listed.

The allegations of assault floating around are criminal, and it isn't clear to me what the University of Iowa thinks it is doing with its own "investigation." The victims should file their own police reports, and if the University of Iowa suggested that those band members should not file reports and would handle it internally, heads must roll as a result.

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Iagander's picture

If they sent out that statement before first contacting ISU, that was a really dumb thing to do.

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Sparty's picture

Back in 1963, when the MSU band travelled to South Bend to play in the MSU-Notre Dame game, after the game the band got hassled and jostled by ND fans.  The President of Michigan State came out that week with a unilateral statement that, if ND did not take measures to make sure this did not happen again, the MSU-ND series would be history.  Next to the Michigan game, the Notre Dame game is very near and dear to the MSU fanbase's hearts, and always guaranteed a sell-out.  How far we have fallen in pursuit of the almighty dollar.

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Ricky D's Triple Double's picture

(Sets first foot upon soapbox.)

Every aspect of this story is attributable to a toxic sports culture.

(Waivers about lifting second foot on soapbox but decides to.)

The band gets hassled, harassed, and assaulted by "grown men" over a GAME. 

Each school's administration bungles the response to avoid putting money in jeopardy over a GAME.

Message board machismo goes into full effect (I'm mostly talking about the ISU and fringe elements in this case.) over a GAME.

I enjoy watching sports. In the case of basketball, I have a close connection with the game and love watching what I consider the most beautiful team sport. With football, it's a nice mental respite from work and life, as I don't pertain to know nearly as much about the actual sport itself, but enjoy the time of year and atmosphere (in most cases).

Unfortunately, my love for sports takes a hit at about every turn nowadays, especially from stories like this. Man-children have ruined so many aspects of organized athletics--from fanatical fantasy football and rec league tools to hostile game environments and vitriolic conversation--that I basically consider it a guilty pleasure to indulge in even watching the shit.

A magical night in Cleveland.

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Costco Card Rammin' Greg Davis's picture

^This is the correct take. I wish it applied only to sports.

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BrimstoneBaritoneAntiCycloneRollingStone's picture

Barta also misspelled the name of Henry B. Tippie, the guy who endows his position

Seriously? Is there anything in this world that Barta isn't capable of fucking up? I know the popular answer to this might be fundraising but even that may just be a matter of time. I'd call him an imbecile but I'm afraid that would be an insult to imbeciles.

There is no fucking drummer better than Neil Peart

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therealCatnuts's picture

They fuck up the endowed position name on literally every piece of scandal release that has been important enough to make it to GIA 

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women, and song. The other half I wasted.

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Realmakoi's picture

It's on the letter template along with the automatic date update and page numbering and he doesn't know how to change it. All he does is type words into the "body" section and hit send.

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Eyehawk's picture

They need to have a couple of police officers escort the band out.

Still waiting for 2nd FB NC.

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Hawkeye82's picture

I agree.  Unfortunately all the officers in town are busy making sure KF gets off the field OK.

Just scratchin' where it itches

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

Or getting subs...

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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Hawkeye82's picture

Great headline.  Full Barta says it all.

Just scratchin' where it itches

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Eyehawk's picture

And they need to escort Barta out, too!

Still waiting for 2nd FB NC.

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Lumberg's picture

I may have missed something, but I haven't seen one pixel of video that shows the incidents that are described by the band members. I'm not taking sides, but in this day and age, shouldn't we have a hundred videos of these attacks?

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RangerDangerArr's picture

You think hundreds of people were filming the marching band walking by?

What does happiness feel like?

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Jakeic's picture

I know when I'm harassing people and shouting racial slurs, I'm taking video to capture those memories.

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Iagander's picture

I would think ISU would have security cameras around, they've experienced VEISHA (sp?) after all.

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WaterlooChazz's picture

Video, albeit from at least a couple hundred feet away:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvNas_K24Fw

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

Cameras, you say? 

Nah, they're still finishing paying off the loan for the billboard from last decade.

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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JustSomeHawkeyeFan's picture

Good point. That bastard might have just broken his own ribs! 

New site, still just some hawkeye fan

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Sean Considine's Bromance's picture

I've heard some other people with this take that there are video cameras everywhere and should be able to show what happened. Maybe. What I struggle with is the idea that the absence of video is evidence that these incidents didn't happen.

There's plenty of physical evidence. There's the kid with the cracked ribs that Iowa disclosed required medical attention. I've seen pictures online of kids showing off some pretty nasty bruises. Certainly the injuries could have come from slipping and falling on their saxophones were it not for the corroboration of 200 of their closest friends. The lack of video evidence doesn't mean much except that it will be significantly more difficult (borderline impossible) to prosecute whomever was involved.

The right approach is for the two universities to actually conduct an investigation. They should interview the affected band members and staff plus anyone else who wants to offer an eyewitness account, including any ISU fans who want to claim that the band incited the violence that occurred. At the end of this, the aim should be twofold. First, they should do their best to agree on what actually happened. Second, they should try to figure out how it happened and take steps to make sure it can't happen again.

Solutions could involve changing the routes the bands use to exit the field, providing police escorts, or even not taking the band to the visiting stadium (which would be unfortunate, I know for sure the band has been going to Ames since I marched back in 1995). Ultimately, though, the focus should be on what's happened, how it happened, and how the universities can work together to ensure safety for everyone involved in the game (including the bands). 

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DodgerHawki's picture

Agree on most everything. It's reasonable that video of said incidents does not exist, or at least in any format that proves/disproves anything. If the incidents happened outside of the stadium as the band was walking to the bus, the band is spread out. With more than 100 members spread out and walking through the parking lot and among ISU fans, even with 4 police officers as escorts things could have certainly happened that no one caught on video. I don't even know if the band members have their phones with them. They have on their uniforms, it was rainy/wet, so reasonable that their phones may have been in the bus. And as others said, the people doing the bad stuff aren't likely to be recording the events. 

This doesn't seem that difficult to solve. Seems easy enough for the universities to get together, to gather information to the best of their abilities and to make recommendations on how things will be handled going forward. 

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Muck1979's picture

I know the Hawkeye Marching Band has been to games in Minneapolis in recent years, but I imagine the worst they got from Gopher fans are a bunch of passive-aggressive comments. 

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rosko-p's picture

"Yah nice outfits there. A little flashy dontcha think?"

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MdHawkeye's picture

Thanks Patrick. Your article has the level of vitriol I wanted to see. This whole thing disgusts me. I'm embarrassed to be associated with the University of Iowa at this point. Thanks, Barta, you chucklefuck.

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JustSomeHawkeyeFan's picture

How are they still backing this fucking moron. How many times does he get to fuck up? seriously, off the top of my head the only sport i dont think he has fucked up with in some way in his tenure is Wrestling and their is like a 50% chance someone will mention something i forgot. 

what a chucklefuck. a statewide joke of a man. OF COURSE THIS WAS GONNA GET OUT BARTA! WHY DID YOU TRY TO SWEEP IT UNDER THE FUCKING RUG?!? 

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BrimstoneBaritoneAntiCycloneRollingStone's picture

Baseball is actually on the rebound. Thanks to Rick Heller not Bumblenuts though.

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First of all - Barta fucked it up and the band should be protected and hopefully the criminals in this incident will be identified and suitably punished.

Second of all - at what point does a male human being become a "full grown man" and why are some members of the band - college students presumably over the age of 18 - referring to themselves as "kids"?  This obviously isn't core to this story, but it seems very odd to me.

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Ricky D's Triple Double's picture

To your second point, I think it's more appropriate to ask why men in their 30s and 40s can't seem to act like adults in these situations? What motivates or validates a "full-grown man" to think it's acceptable to harass and assault anyone? We can blame alcohol to an extent, but that's a half-ass reason at best, not an excuse. 

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Well, I don't know what motivates people to be assholes, and criminal assholes at that.  Some combination of pre-existing assholery, plus alcohol, and some mob mentality is probably the answer.  Get people drunk, fired up and in a group and they are capable of doing some very, very bad things.  Go watch "The Accused" which was loosely based on a true story (of a gang rape in a bar that was witnessed by many and stopped by no one) and you get the idea.

Anyway, as I said, I condemn what happened.  My second point is really just an aside and that is that the self-infantilization of the band members, as compared to the perpetrators, just strikes me as weird.  Adults can (and are) victims of crime all the time.  So, I don't get it. When I was in college - not THAT long ago, I absolutely thought of myself as an adult.  Is that no longer the case?  

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My point is that I don't think your second point has any validity, even as an aside, and especially in regard to this story. Whether they're 18, 21, 16, a band member, a regular civilian, or any other individual minding their business, they shouldn't be subject to harassment and assault. Your aside--though maybe unintentionally--deflects blame from the perpetrators. Whether they're kids or adults, the actions of the perpetrators are out of line and inexcusable. Your aside is a moot point. 

A magical night in Cleveland.

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Please quote me and show where I was attempting to minimize or deflect blame based on age. 

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Ricky D's Triple Double's picture

I'd quote the entire second point from your initial comment, as the aside in and of itself serves to deflect attention from the main and only point: people got harassed and assaulted. Whether or not you want to refer to them as kids has nothing to do with what happened in Ames, and it all becomes semantics. This is one of those few incidents/issues that doesn't require much nuance. Members of the band got assaulted. That's objectively wrong. 

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You are really having trouble reading the parts where I condemned the criminals here, aren't you?  There was and is no nuance to that condemnation.  I then separately wrote about another aspect of this that story that caught my eye.  This is generally regarded as acceptable behavior, but it bothers you for some reason (which you won't state).

Because you clearly don't believe that the "main and only point" is "people got harassed and assaulted".  If you did believe that, you would not have said the following in your comment above:

"Each school's administration bungles the response to avoid putting money in jeopardy over a GAME."

"Message board machismo goes into full effect (I'm mostly talking about the ISU and fringe elements in this case.) over a GAME."

Aren't those "deflect[ing] attention from the main and only point: people got harassed and assaulted"?  Aren't all of the comments (even included in the story here) about Gary Barta also distracting from the "main and only point"?  Why are you not replying to everyone else complaining that talking about Gary Barta is "deflect[ing] attention from the main and only point: people got harassed and assaulted"?

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Ricky D's Triple Double's picture

A lot to unpack here:

People commenting on Barta aren't deflecting from the main point, since his inability to address or remedy the aftermath is directly related to the harassment and assaults. Furthermore, his seemingly solitary devotion to cash over everything helps add context to why he once again bungled a public and rather sensitive issue. 

You are really having trouble reading the parts where I condemned the criminals here, aren't you?

You obviously think that this preface allows you to then broach another point that has nothing to do with the fact that students were harassed and assaulted. 

I then separately wrote about another aspect of this that story that caught my eye. 

Why does that objectively minuscule point matter in relation to this story? 

Because you clearly don't believe that the "main and only point" is "people got harassed and assaulted".  If you did believe that, you would not have said the following in your comment above:

Then you listed points from an initial comment I had on this story. I listed the other points because I think they contribute to, and in some cases, fuel the type of behavior that happened in Ames. Once again, those points are directly related to the main point and to the actual story.

You saying, "Hey, why are we calling these band students kids?" has nothing to do with tackling why this happened or how it can be remedied in the future.  

A magical night in Cleveland.

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rosko-p's picture

Hurray! An opportunity to talk adolescent neurology.

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CapitalHawk's picture

Not really.  Why are you saying there is some sort of neurological disorder at work here?  The bad actors were clearly not members of the band - they were the other people there (i.e. the criminal actors).  The age of the criminals is not known, but it has been implied that they were older than college age.

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No. My point, made partially in jest, is that scientifically none of the band members, especially males and absent any potential nontraditional students, are scientifically "adult." Adolescent brain science, FWIW, is solid that young men especially do not achieve full executive functioning until their mid twenties.  Anecdotally this plays out in criminal justice primarily but also in the work place and in nature where most social problems are caused by young males.  

Now, again for what it is worth, my point is that this is exactly why dudes approaching approaching middle-aged should be held to a higher standard than college kids and why as a matter  of word choice I think it is fine to refer to college students as "kids," vis a vis full grown idiotic sports fans who lack the capacity to draw a distinction between college sports and real life problems. 

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If they're not going to fire him, they need to hire a better PR guy to let Barta not shoot the university in the foot every time something happens.

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BrimstoneBaritoneAntiCycloneRollingStone's picture

Naw just let him keep making an ass of himself and the University. Eventually somebody will have to say enough is enough right? Right....?

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All this talk, well-intentioned or not, about this series of incidents possibly cancelling this game are funny to me. This is money, this is all in-state money by several of the revenue-greediest institutions in our state. There will be no cancelling of this game, the result will instead for 100% certainty be some sort of crackdown on the drinking and partying that surely is the root cause of this problem. Sorry fans that wanted this game cancelled, it is your tailgating that is cancelled instead. 

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women, and song. The other half I wasted.

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Sorry that I'm so late to the discussion,

but there is a disturbing issue that isn't being addressed.  Pollard has implied that the Iowa band deserves some of the blame by:  a) not going out the quiet gate (as if that is what a band would do) that they were advised to use; and b)  marching aggressively into the back of the crowd at a faster speed than the crowd could handle.

Was this a real thing?  The Iowa band ignoring where they are supposed to leave, and aggressively bumping into the fans?  If not, then Pollard needs to be called out for essentially shifting the blame to the band.  Was the band out of line at all, or is this a misrepresentation of the facts.  Still, it doesn't warrant an assault of any kind, but it's bothering that someone in authority regarding this issue is making this type of statement.

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BrimstoneBaritoneAntiCycloneRollingStone's picture

I read that article in the Gazette too. It's almost like Pollard and Bumblenuts are in a pissing contest for who can be more of an asinine prick. I don;t know who has blundered worse here to be honest. Pollard basically saying this didn't happen, then saying it might have happened, then saying well it was the bands fault. Or Barta dropping a press release, saying nothing for a few days, closing the investigation and then being forced to reopen it due to pressure. Fucking hell how do these jackasses have jobs?

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Lumberhawk's picture

This was one hell of a bye week.

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Considering my sig line, I can't believe I'm this late to the party.

CAUTION: May go on prolonged rants about Gary Barta and Bruce Harreld without warning.

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I mostly want to agree with the many salient points in Pat's article and other people's comments. Lots of good insightful stuff said here about the power of money, and the failures of various "leaders" at both schools. I share people's skepticism that Harreld's "maybe we should just cancel the series" comment is anything more than a symbolic gesture like Dad storming into the kids' room threatening to take the Nintendo away if we don't KEEP IT DOWN FER CHRISSAKES.

As a proud high school band nerd who kicks myself to this day for not trying out for HMB, my thoughts turn towards ideas of Band Solidarity that might prove some sort of remedy or at least common statement on behalf of students who are having to contemplate if their visiting school's marching band uniform is going to make them a target for criminal assaults by [checks notes] their fellow Nice Iowans.

The games will continue. Even if public backlash against the original incident plus more backlash against both AD's apparent attempts to sweep this under the rug mounts to levels I'd like to see, I still believe excuses will be made to keep the games going, because DOLLA DOLLA BILLS YO. So what about the bands?

  • Marching bands are one of the traditions that make college football awesome.
  • The use of pre-recorded sound effects and music at a growing number of CFB venues is wack af.
  • It would be understandable, but pretty sad, if the "solution" was "no visiting bands at CyHawk games."
  • I'd bet dollars to donuts that both schools' bands share frustration with toxic "fans" and bumbling ADs.
  • It would actually suck if ISU's band was essentially "punished" for this by having to stay home next year.
  • I think the Iowa and ISU bands should, well, band together to support each other against assholes.
  • Marching/playing together outside the stadium, in the stands, on the field could be a great statement.
  • With both bands they could probably spell "It's just a game a-holes, let's be nice and have fun" at halftime.

I'm basically just shouting into the void here, but where Barta and Pollard have fallen down, I think the two marching bands have the cleverness and wherewithal to step into the vacuum of leadership left by both our schools and shame a bunch of idiots into being afraid to abuse college students they don't know just because they're wearing the wrong colors.

CAUTION: May go on prolonged rants about Gary Barta and Bruce Harreld without warning.

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