THE WEIGH-IN 133: Austin 133:16 Says I Just Whooped Your Ass

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Vanilla Gorilla's picture

This headline needs a space in any/all blog museums 

Celebrating horizontal football since 2011

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RossWB's picture

Have to admit I was pretty happy with this one. 

therealCatnuts's picture

Stone Cold looks like an Orc in that gif

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women, and song. The other half I wasted.

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Hawkeyevodka's picture

Getting excited for the upcoming wrestling season.

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tyger1147's picture

FWIW, you don't need "respectively" here.

Rutgers' Nick Suriano, Oklahoma State's Daton Fix, and Michigan's Stevan Micic, respectively 

If you said, for example,

 Nick Suriano, Daton Fix, Steven Micic, wrestlers for Rutgers, Oklahoma State, and Michigan, respectively

Then it'd be appropriate. There's no need to do it when you're just making a list.

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jayd80's picture

It's OK because "respectively" also means "in the order designated or mentioned".

When he said:

Last year's top three finishers -- Rutgers' Nick Suriano, Oklahoma State's Daton Fix, and Michigan's Stevan Micic, respectively 

He means that in the order they're mentioned, they finished first, second, and third.  I agree it'd still be clear without it, but it's not wrong. 

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tyger1147's picture

but the order isn't listed. just that they were top 3. it should be (yes, grammar police), last year's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place finishers - Rutgers' Nick Suriano.... respectively

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tyger1147's picture

I should say, "It's okay because language is for communication and everyone understands what is meant. There is also no authority on the Engllish language like there is for French or Chinese and many others. But it's not traditionally correct."

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Hawktober's picture

My only request of DeSanto this year is to reduce or eliminate his team score penalties.  Bring the fire, but act like you've done it before when you win.

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don1969's picture

Well said.  When one has an excessive celebration after a match it says that you were not expecting to win and you are telling your opponent you really feel that he is the better wrestler.  Better to calmly shake hands and act like you expected to win the match.

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Herk Whatcha Mama Gave Ya's picture

I wouldn't really categorize DeSanto's outbursts as 'excessive celebration' as much as I would call them 'lack of emotional control.'

This isn't a NFL wide receiver who's coordinating his celebrations for every first down or touchdown.

Also, what about any of DeSanto's comments/demeanor would ever lead you to believe that he doesn't expect or win, or that he really feels his opponent is the better wrestler?

I'm pretty sure those thoughts have never crossed that kid's mind.

For his senior year of high school he intentionally dropped down to the same weight as Spencer Lee from god's sake.

New phone, who dis?

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tyger1147's picture

100% disagree with this.

For one, you might actually not be "expecting to win". no reason to be a fake, bland athlete. you can confidence you're going to win but at some point think you might not and then be incredibly relieved when you do. 

Second, DeSanto clearly has a lack of emotional control. not everyone fits into a box. It sucks when it hurts the team, and you want to try to curb, but i wouldn't be ascribing some sort of weird motives to him.

Third, maybe he does think the other wrestler is better than him. What's wrong with that? I won my state semi-final against someone that was taller, stronger, and had a better record all year. I outlasted him. But even today I'd say he was probably better than me. Well, maybe not. 

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therealCatnuts's picture

I think that's part of what you sign up for with ADS, and I'm ok with it. This is visceral and brutal 1-on-1 combat, not everyone can turn it on and off so easily.

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women, and song. The other half I wasted.

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Hawktober's picture

I suspected at least one person would respond as such.  While I get where you're coming from, I kind of see this response as akin to saying that it's okay if a 3 year old child screams and yells when he/she gets told no.  Yes, that's going to happen with small children and it's something you "sign up for" as a parent, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't discourage the behavior and try to get the child to mature a little bit.

Furthermore, making the comparison to combat has some validity in general.  However, what we don't see is the rest of the team (and many of our opponents) doing the same things.  We have seen plenty of fiery characters over the years who contain their excitement long enough to shake hands and also resist the urge to taunt the other guy or the crowd.

Again, my major problem is when this costs us team points.  Fortunately, none of the ADS outbursts last year cost us a dual or a final tournament placement.  However, there's no guarantee that will be the case every time going forward.

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therealCatnuts's picture

I'm not going to equate the actions of a 20 year old man to a 3 year old child, but I do have to giggle a bit at your analogy. You probably don't know this, but I'm a parent of 4 small children and I find the idea of discouraging tantrums to be wholly incorrect. You ignore them, not bring attention to them. Anyway, I understand and appreciate your thoughts. I just think differently than you on this subject regarding all athletes, especially male athletes in power sports like wrestling and football. 

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women, and song. The other half I wasted.

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Hawktober's picture

You make a good point about the kids.  My quick analogy was probably not the best, in hindsight.  I won't take the time to find a new one, because I'm sure you've seen my point already.

I'll close with this: Even if ADS makes no changes to his behavior this year, I'm still going to be a big fan.  I'm pretty sure we can agree on that point. :)

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Brinzerian Wisdom's picture

If it cost team points at NCAAs, and the penalty was warranted, I would be concerned.  

But a dirty secret is that, the way it is all set up, the NCAA dual meet season has about as much importance as game 1 of the NFL preseason.  I never thought the point deductions were warranted, but don't care that much regardless, as a team win at a dual meet has zero impact on anything important in collegiate wrestling beyond pride.

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Hawkeyevodka's picture

I wouldn’t mind a bit more WWE showmanship in collegiate wrestling.

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HoyaGoon's picture

The standard with ADS (and any other athlete) should be: if he were on another team and did the same thing, what would your reaction be? If you can honestly say that you'd be fine with it, then ok. But if you can't, then maybe that should help drive your feelings about ADS. Also, if you say you're fine with ADS, you sure as shit better not whine/complain about some other team's wrestler having an emotional outburst.

Just another garbage commenter spreading my *sshole all over the internet.

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Brinzerian Wisdom's picture

If he was on the other team, I would not be okay with him winning any matches at all.  That doesn't mean I don't want him to win matches on my team.

Wrestling needs to let its hair down and loosen up a bit.  It's okay for wrestlers to have personalities besides All-American Boy!  Never once did DeSanto go too far over the edge last season in my opinion.  Nothing to warrant a team point deduction.  He's just an emotional kid who may be on the spectrum a bit.  And there's room for that in this sport. 

 

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Herk Whatcha Mama Gave Ya's picture

We very well might know for sure on Sunday, but it's really feeling like DeSanto is making that move up to 141.

The interesting thing is I'm not sure if that says more about Teasdale or Murin.

Is Teasdale so good that you feel like you need to to get him in the lineup, thus bumping up DeSanto? Or do the coaches feel like the ceiling just isn't high enough with Murin to give them what they need in the team race, thus bumping DeSanto up and sliding Teasdale in at 33? (the inverse of both scenarios applies as well)

But then you've also got to take into account how the coaches feel about DeSanto at each of the respective weights. Do they think going 141 hurts his chances, and by association, the team's? Or do they think it really doesn't matter, thus reverting back to who they think scores more team points between Teasdale and Murin?

The whole thing is fascinating.

Can anybody think of a scenario remotely similar to this in recent Hawkeye history?

New phone, who dis?

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tyger1147's picture

It could also be a nod to the future in a way, getting Teasdale a lot of wrestling time and DeSanto used to the higher weight. Next year would be incredibly, incredibly solid with

Lee - Senior
Teasdale - RS So
DeSanto - Senior
Eierman - Senior
Miranelli - Senior
Young - Senior
Warner - Junior

I mean... Holy shit.

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GoHawksAwesome's picture

If I'm not mistaken Kemmerer has applied for a medical redshirt as well so he would still be around next year.

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Herk Whatcha Mama Gave Ya's picture

I don't think it'd be a 'nod' to anything other than a 2020 NCAA team title run.

Just can't envision Brands putting Teasdale out there (and bumping up a potential finalist at 33 in DeSanto) for the sake of looking toward the future with Teasdale. This team has a window to win a title not just next year with the addition of Eierman, but right now in 2019-20. When it's been a decade since your last one you don't get cute with things when that next legitimate shot comes around.

Also, regarding the 'future play,' Murin is only a sophomore so it's not like you'd be giving Teasdale the nod over a veteran who is going to be gone from the program in a year anyway. If they like what they see from Murin than you keep that kid in the lineup and see just how good he can get over the next three seasons.

New phone, who dis?

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don1969's picture

Teasdale placed 3rd at the Luther Open after losing to Wartburg's Kristian Rumph 6-3.  

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