TUESDAYS WITH BOREY: Spiderman Memes and Just Northwestern

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sailorjerry's picture

"I think we saw some of our phases grow a little bit."

#phrasing #phasing #writingschool

I miss 2009. And the football team too.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

KF's an old fart now - he don't give no damn what he says...

I strongly prefer winning over losing.

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the notorious r.d.m.'s picture

Why does it feel when Kirk Ferentz has an abundance of talent at a certain position he chooses to just sit one of the players entirely in favor of rotating or finding a way to put them all on the field in some capacity? Is it some stubborn old school mentality? His comments about Hankins, Johnson, and Moss remind me of situations with players like Oliver Martin and Noah Fant. It goes further back to having Ricky Stanzi sitting behind JC6 when the entire state of Iowa knew Stanzi was the QB in 2008. But then again I guess at tailback Iowa has a good rotation going so I don't know. Kirk does have some weird chip on his shoulder when it comes to highly touted seeing the field regularly I think. Maybe I'm just imagining it.

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HoyaGoon's picture

I really do not understand everyone's fixation with Oliver Martin not getting on the field. It doesn't seem at all analogous to Fant. Is there a WR getting reps now that you think OM has shown he is clearly better than? Like everyone else, I was ecstatic to get Martin back, and have him eligible, but it's not like the WR corps hasn't been a bright spot for us this season, his not getting a ton of reps, while disappoining in a vacuum, is entirely justifiable given on-field production.

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Sean Considine's Bromance's picture

Obviously our sample size with Martin is limited and we don't know what's going on in practice. That said, in the reps I remember him playing it seems like he struggles getting separation and isn't an especially effective downfield blocker. Those aren't super great qualities in an Iowa WR.

I would put Smith, Smith-Marsette, and Ragaini all well ahead of what I've seen out of Martin. Tracy's tendency to drop passes keeps the gap a bit tighter between him and Martin.

With Smith's injury, I'm honestly more hopeful that it leads to more reps with Sargent and/or Goodson in the slot. 

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Joe Bauers's picture

(Shocker Alert) I agree with HoyaGoon.  In addition to what he said, we need to keep in mind that Oliver Martin has limited time getting acquainted with the playbook and building chemistry with Nate Stanley.  While it's great that he got the waiver to play right away, it was unrealistic for us to think he was going to step in and being a focus of the offense right away.

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HoyaGoon's picture

I agree with HoyaGoon.

Feels good, doesn't it? Seems like the sun is a bit brighter, colors are a bit sharper, food tastes a bit better. Everyone should try it more often. ;)

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BlockerHawk's picture

Also important to remember that he didn’t really contribute at Michigan either and did know the playbook based on two years in the program. Star rating here might be a little overblown. If he was going to play at Michigan he wouldn’t have transferred. This is one situation where I would trust the coaches

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Joe Bauers's picture

"Star rating here might be a little overblown."

I don't want to come off as being overly critical of Oliver Martin, because I think there's potential that he's very good.  The absence of playing time this year could be that there are two guys who are going to get a shot in the NFL starting on the outsides and two guys who are not slouches themselves and who have 12 months of playbook and practice starting on the inside while Martin had about two months of playbook and one month of practice before games started.  That's a hard hill to overcome even if one is more talented.  The fact that he transferred may not be related to playing time at all and instead might be (i) homesickness, (ii) a reflection that he didn't want to play for a raving lunatic head coach who prefers a glass of milk with his steak and/or (iii) a reflection that he would have committed to Iowa in the first place but for the fact that Iowa's passing game was a nuclear wasteland led by Bobby Kennedy at the time he committed to Michigan.

Having said that, the quote above is more significant with Martin than with most players.  He didn't get a lot of looks early.  Once he started getting looks, most big name WR recruits had committed.  He was the last one at the dance when a bunch of schools needed one more WR to fill out their classes.  Being the last remaining recruit, he may have gotten looks that he wouldn't have gotten if there were 5 elite WR recruits left in the Midwest in December 2016.

2019 is a pass for Martin.  If he's not getting serious reps in 2020 then it's time to wonder what's going on.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

Both of the guys on the outside are going to have to make quite a few more strides before they can make it as WR's in the NFL.  ISM may have a shot as a returner, but he's going to have to probably be able to play WR too if he really wants to stick.  

I also agree with you that he was one of the last guys left to "dance" at the end of his recruiting class, so it's quite possible that his stars were a bit inflated too.  But right now, the obsession some have with OM is a bit creepy, but perhaps he'll see more time next year - even though not a single one of the guys ahead of him are going anywhere.  Maybe if he's lucky he'll "get noticed" at bowl prep practices - that's how Tyler Linderbaum became a star at center without ever playing a down.  Perhaps OM will have his breakthrough there...  

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Coromandel Hawk's picture

Agree.  We have plenty of good receivers this year and OM is the new kid who hasn't beat out the guys who have been in the program longer whereas the frustrating thing with the Fant situation wasn't that Hock was playing but that we didn't see both of them on the field more often since they were clearly our two biggest threats on offense.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

Fant started as a true frosh in the program and was a clear 1st round draft pick by the end of Year 2.  Bad analogy to the OM situation.

OM transferred after a year away from home and is playing catchup because of injury and practice - as in, he's not had as much of it so doesn't know as much as others do.  If he comes through as a key player next year?  GREAT!  But the obsession that some have about his not starting (The OMC!) now is kinda outta left field - even for an anti-offense HC like KF.

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Joe Bauers's picture

Yep (god, now I am agreeing with HoustonHawkeye).  Fant's stats in 2016 didn't blow people away either... 9 catches for 70 yards and one touchdown for the year.  But for injury to Kittle, who knows if Fant records more than two or three catches.  First year in a passing system involves a learning curve.

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DC_HAWK's picture

Oliver Martin isn't playing because he isn't all that great, and certainly is no better than Smith, ISM, Tracy, and probably Ragiani. 

He transferred from Michigan because he wasn't even the 3rd best player in his own recruiting class there, and the likelihood of him seeing the field for any meaningful amount of time was next to nothing (I don't care what that Michigan coach said about him being the starting "Z" receiver after he left, but before the NCAA granted his waiver). As much as it sucks to say it, now he's in the same spot. Not good enough. The dude isn't the second coming of Tim Dwight. Everyone needs to settle down.

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

HOT TAEK!

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Sean Considine's Bromance's picture

I don't understand the downvote here. I think it's easy to say that Martin just doesn't know the playbook, but from Hinkel and Solomon to Smith and Smith-Marsette, Ferentz has shown a willingness to get inexperienced WRs on the field if they can deliver something special. Moreover, if a WR isn't getting meaningful reps by his second year in the program, it's unlikely that they're going to happen. McNutt is an exception because he started as a QB and had to convert to WR, but if you think of the best Iowa WRs under Ferentz, I'm struggling to think of one that didn't make some impact in his first two years of eligibility, most even in their first year (whether RS FR or true FR).

Martin isn't getting as many game reps so it's a small sample, but he doesn't appear to be off-the-charts in any particular way: he's not super tall, super fast, has extraordinary hands, gets great separation, runs great routes, or even blocks well downfield. I'm hopeful that it's just a logjam of talent in front of him, but none of those players are seniors or jumping early to the NFL. Smith certainly opens up an opportunity for Martin, but as I mentioned earlier, I think it's far more likely that Sargent or Goodson get some of those slot reps because Brian has already shown a willingness to play them in the slot to be more versatile (a fat load of good that's done us). 

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DC_HAWK's picture

Martin isn't getting as many game reps so it's a small sample, but he doesn't appear to be off-the-charts in any particular way: he's not super tall, super fast, has extraordinary hands, gets great separation, runs great routes, or even blocks well downfield.

Bingo.

He wasn't a very highly rated recruit for most of his High School career. It was only right at the end of his recruitment that his stock went up. In any event, Iowa fans certainly know that they can't take recruiting rankings too seriously.  Sometimes that 2 star guy turns into an NFL linebacker. But that works both ways. A hyped recruit can turn out to be sort of average at the college level.

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BrimstoneBaritoneAntiCycloneRollingStone's picture

If you don’t look at football, it looks different than what the two teams line up typically.

Lol uh say what Kirk?

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

KF is just saying that he's smarter than you.  No worries - I believe in you!

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Diesel's picture

Kirk's new persona.

RIP Isosceles

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WaterlooChazz's picture

I get this joke.

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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therealCatnuts's picture

I LIKE ...ZONE ...BLOCKS   AND I CAN NOT LIE

I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women, and song. The other half I wasted.

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Vanilla Gorilla's picture

A little bit of me dies every time I read a Ferentz transcript.  

Celebrating horizontal football since 2011

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HoyaGoon's picture

Eat at Arby's.

Just another garbage commenter spreading my *sshole all over the internet.

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FUBAR's picture

Arby's rocks! Except for the stupid curly fries. They need to bring back straight. In college, I ate at Arbys so often, I cut myself shaving once and only Arbys sauce came out... to paraphrase The Jerk.

F.erentz U.B.er Alles, R.ight?

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Vanilla Gorilla's picture

I come back because I care, I stay because I’m insane.

Celebrating horizontal football since 2011

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HoustonHawkeye's picture

I just come back to see how often Hoya can get folks to cross over from the other side of the aisle and agree with him on a topic - so it's pretty exciting about twice a year when that happens...

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FUBAR's picture

Agreed. I'm pretty much full on board the HG & HH Express myself. Not sure why it's so empty in here, though. It's like an Amtrak train to Busted Butte, Wyoming. At least you guys don't charge $16 for a microwaved hamburger.

F.erentz U.B.er Alles, R.ight?

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WaterlooChazz's picture

I just looked at the leaderboard,

and Hoya has the most recs,

so...he is doing this more than you think.

https://www.goiowaawesome.com/awesome-points-leaderboard

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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FUBAR's picture

Wow, 8008 APs. He should be able to redeem them for a prize like at Chuckie Cheeses. With over 8k, he could get something pretty sweet, like a Chinese Fingertrap or a Box of Nerds.

F.erentz U.B.er Alles, R.ight?

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Vanilla Gorilla's picture

Got to think the temporary tattoos and the tootsie rolls are in play as well.  Hoya has a tough call, I’m expecting a bold move here.

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chitownhawkeye's picture

No, no.  You have to hold them.

Like time outs.

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Realmakoi's picture

It's like a car wreck on the other side of the highway. There's no reason to stop. Nothing in front of people on your side of the road that would require a two mile backup. Even after you get to the point where you could start moving again, you can't help but to look over and see what everyone else is looking at before you press your accelerator and further contributing to the backup. No one learns that there's nothing except a car being loaded on a tow truck and by the time you see exactly what you expected, you've wasted 30 min of your life. Then all that's left is taking even more time talking to coworkers about the 30 minutes you wasted and asking if they saw something you missed.
The only time there's something interesting is when the accident is happening real time. If you have to wait for a Tuesday presser, the wreck has already been cleaned up.

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chitownhawkeye's picture

Pushing and mixing, pushing and mixing.

Pastry chef?  Bad dance moves?  I can't tell what he's going for here, but there appears to be a code.

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Sean Considine's Bromance's picture

He's not Mix-A-Lot, he's Spinderella.

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WaterlooChazz's picture

Northwestern "...went 8-1 in the Big Ten last year and never won a game by more than ten points.  They scored 30 points in regulation in three of nine conference games.  They lost to Akron and won the Big Ten West.  That's the sort of Kirk Ferentz dream season that he'd be gushing about at a press conference in 2042."

Okay, the contract extensions have become truly excessive.

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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HoyaGoon's picture

You think that's bad? With the buyout guarantees, it would be economically feasible to fire KF if necessary until 2142!

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HoyaGoon's picture

Er, would *not

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WaterlooChazz's picture

"We’re getting a little thin inside with Cole being out, Shooter being out."

KF calling an OLineman "Shooter" is so KF.  I assume this is about Kyler Schott.  

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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truhawk11's picture

I believe the whole team calls him Shooter.  (Yes, Kyler Schott.)

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therealCatnuts's picture

Dude has a fantastic Halloween costume for every year built in with that name 

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HoyaGoon's picture

You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?

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RetroHawk's picture

AKA...."The Coggon Compactor".  Sounds a lot meaner than simply "shooter".  Look at the great "Shooters" of all time; Shooter McGavin from Happy Gilmore, Shooter (Dennis Hopper) from Hoosiers.  Not the likeness we want to see in our O linemen.

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therealCatnuts's picture

Google searches for “Coggon Iowa” now at their highest ever! More this week than the population of Coggon!

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RetroHawk's picture

Go Coggon Awesome!

RetroHawk

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