Iowa Basketball: Jack Nunge Out for the Season with ACL Tear

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Hawktober's picture

I feel terrible for Jack.  I hope he comes out of this well and is able to work on his game if he wants to keep playing. 

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Herk Whatcha Mama Gave Ya's picture

Why wouldn't he 'want to keep playing?'

He tore his ACL, he's not dead.

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Hawktober's picture

It's possible after sitting out last year and getting hurt this year, he may want to "retire".  I have no first-hand knowledge of ACL rehab, but I'm sure it's not easy.  Do you think it's impossible he could decide just to be a student and not keep playing?

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Herk Whatcha Mama Gave Ya's picture

Nothing is 'impossible.'

But I'd confidently set the odds at about 10,000/1 for the scenario you're proposing.

When is the last time you heard about a legitimate Division 1 basketball player 'retiring' from a single ACL injury?

I'll hang up and listen.

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chitownhawkeye's picture

It's also early in the season.  He should be back at full strength for the opener next year.

Now, if he chooses to leave, that's one thing, but I can't imagine him quitting basketball

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Hawktober's picture

I don't think I ever have heard of it.  I hope he does indeed make a recovery and comes back.  I also am confident you're correct that he'll want to keep playing. I guess I just felt a little presumptuous to assume he'd be back on the court after a season-ending injury.

Thanks for "listening".

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IGrokHawks's picture

What a shitty break for Nunge.  Looked like he was just starting to find his game and be a positive contributor.  Come back next year even better and stronger, Jack.  

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dampfartmoldpants's picture

This obviously sucks for Nunge and the team, but speculating that he's going to leave the program because of this is baseless and moronic.

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scratch where it itches's picture

Easy Killer. This isn’t Facebook. Try reading it again for the actual words. 

Pig shit you say? Smells like $7 Billion to me.

Also, fire Gary Barta.

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Vanilla Gorilla's picture

Bold move to bring up words and reading during Nebraska week.  I would say we have found an enemy informant, but the writing part gave it away as one of our own.  

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Herk Whatcha Mama Gave Ya's picture

Garza will make a lot of money playing professional basketball. But I have serious doubts about that being in the NBA to no fault of his own (athleticism), and almost certainly not if he leaves as a junior.

I do think Wieskamp will play in the NBA some day, but even coming into this season I was far less confident than a lot of people that it was going to be after this year.

I also don't at all understand the 'disservice' to Garza/Wieskamp and everyone else if Fran decides to redshirt J-Bo and Patrick.

Both of those guys have serious medical histories, J-Bo's more recent, Patrick's much more sobering. It was already up in the air if J-Bo would play at all this year, and he just sat out yesterday's game with soreness from that surgically repaired hip. Meanwhile, Patrick was long speculated as a redshirt candidate coming into college because of his body type anyway, and now whatever he's dealing with only puts another obstacle on top of it.

Fran isn't doing anybody else a disservice if he sits those two down for the year. He'd be doing a disservice to J-Bo/Patrick if he elected not to sit them out in the face of it being better for their overall health and well-being to do so.

Nothing about these recent developments and any decisions they may necessitate thereafter are some sort of active declaration by Fran to the healthy guys remaining that this season is a 'lost cause.'

It's bad luck. That's it.

And hopefully some guys can return fully healthy and the available team can reach its absolute peak, but if that's not possible than so be it. You play the season with who and what you've got as best you can, and whenever it ends you regroup and look forward to next year.

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tyger1147's picture

This is where I am, too. I was definitely on the bandwagon that Joe Wieskamp should go pro. And I think Garza will definitely make money, but I think at this point, Garza is definitely back and unless Wieskamp can take the offensive focus, he'll be back, too.

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Riles23's picture

I think he's gone and he's gonna be a first rounder.  Comparison i keep coming back to is Huerter from Maryland.   Didn't have overwhelming college stats but fits the "3 and D" mold that every team is fighting to find.   Joe seems like a guy that would dominate his pre-draft workouts and get a promise from someone late in the draft.

Averaged 15/5/3 and left after his sophomore year.  Joe is at 11/6/2 (super early) and his shooting will come back.   Unless he gets hurt or REALLY likes Iowa, i don't see him back.

(Should've kept reading, i see your Huerter comp in a comment further down!)

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FUBAR's picture

People, people, people..... Joe Weiskamp is not going anywhere (if he's smart). He's a good player, but NBA? Now? I don't think so. This kind of talk makes me cringe because it's the kind of talk Hawk fans make that makes us look like a bunch of yocals. He's good. Hell be here for 2 more years.... unless he listens to some of you guys. Please stop. For his sake more than ours.

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Herk Whatcha Mama Gave Ya's picture

(see below)

But any definitive first round talk is absolutely crazy right now, even more crazy than the really bad Kevin Huerter comparison folks are making.

I mean...just no. As the kids say, "That ain't it, chief."

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Ricky D's Triple Double's picture

Joe Weiskamp -- at least on paper the best player on this team -- could well jump to the pros after this season

The last part of the above statement is a stretch. Weiskamp is the most talented player on Iowa's team, but in the wider landscape of college hoops, he's not a blip on the radar, and that's not a knock on him at this point. If Tyler Cook leaving after last year was questionable, Weiskamp leaving after this year would be crazy. Weiskamp would have to make almost insurmountable (at this stage in his career) leaps to show pro scouts he's worth drafting, including better creation off the dribble and lock-down defense. This will likely be a valid conversation to have after his junior season, but there's no way he'd leave after this year if anyone with a rational mind is consulting with him on the matter. 

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RetroHawk's picture

Agree. Very talented guy, great potential with a lot to prove.  Because he went to a pre-NBA camp, the media start to write a story which they have no idea about the ending.  

Tough break for Nunge and I don't want to begin to speculate about what's going on in that young man's head.  Has to be tough for him.   

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tyger1147's picture

I think it totally depends on his measurables. He shot 42% on 3FG%, had the 55th best TS% and a good TO%. According to KenPom, two of his closest statistical comps are Nickiel Walker-Alexander and Lonnie Walker as freshmen. Two guys drafted in the first round. If Wieskamp was measured at 6'6" with a 6'9" wingspan and a 35"+ vertical.

He also reminds me of Kevin Huerter - another standard lanky white-guy shooter... until he had a 38" vertical and everyone decided "Hey, maybe this white-boy shooter* is athletic enough to play defense, too!"

But he's started out slow. But I almost guarantee you that if Wieskamp shoots 40% again while having a 20%+ USG%, he's going to test the draft waters. And from there, it just depends on his athletic and body testing. If he's a long-armed, freak athlete with those numbers, he'll go. If he's just so-so (6'6", same wingspan, 30" vertical), he probably won't.

*I'm using what I presume to be their biases

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Herk Whatcha Mama Gave Ya's picture

As a baseline before going further into things, Wieskamp was measured with a 6'11 wingspan when he got to Iowa. So that's legit. He's 6'6 with a 6'11 wingspan, obviously two big positives when it comes to the draft combine nuts who can be guilty of putting the weight of the world on these measurements.

We know he's a really good shooter. Everyone does, especially off of the catch. And he's a smart player, so he's going to be positionally sound on defense and limit his turnovers. All of the broader analytics reflect those things.

But from there I think most of the comparisons to other players being thrown out in these comments have been pretty awful, especially the Huerter one.

Yeah, the lazy white-guy comparison is there: similar body types, Heurter is a little taller at 6'7 but 'only' had a 6'7.5 wingspan to go along with a 38" vertical, both really high percentage shooters.

Get past that though, and the rest of it falls apart. They don't play similar games at all. They aren't similar athletes at all. They aren't similar players at all.

Heurter was infinitely more natural as a ball handler and playmaker. He was far more comfortable shooting off of the dribble and creating his own shot. I think Joe is a very good athlete, but Huerter is elite in that respect - and they don't utilizing their athleticism in remotely similar ways either.

Joe is much more of a true off the ball wing. Huerter was a guy who you could put the ball in his hands and run portions of the offense through as the focal point initiator (and he's actually done it in spurts at the NBA level as well).

So yeah, IMO anybody making Wieskamp/Huerter comps is being lazy. And while the KenPom statistical comps that you mentioned are nice to have from a production standpoint, again, when you look at the actual players those two guys you mentioned don't play similar 'games' to Wieskamp whatsoever.

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BrimstoneBaritoneAntiCycloneRollingStone's picture

Man this really sucks. Hope he doesn't wind up like Dale Jones I think it was. I always thought Nunge could be a poor mans Uthoff with time. Disappointed I can't watch Nunge throw up a 3 pointer and be able to yell Nungechuks! when it goes in.

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Vanilla Gorilla's picture

+1 for the Dale Jones reference.  

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JRossman's picture

Merde! How many years was Jess Settles on campus...?

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IowaPharmer's picture

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olivecourt's picture

This sucks for Nunge, but I don't think it should play any factor in whatever Bohannon (and PMac, to a lesser degree) decide to do.

If Bohannon doesn't feel like he can play, he shouldn't play. But banking on Iowa being better next year shouldn't be in the calculus. You just never know what next year will look like... this year we thought Iowa's starting lineup would be Bohannon, Moss, Weiskamp, Nunge, and Garza. Now you have two of those guys 100% healthy and on the roster.

And while it sucks to lose Nunge, this season is not lost by any means. You don't need an 11-man rotation-- that's been one of my issues with Fran for a while. Get a solid 8-man rotation going with one or two other guys who play situationally:

Starters: Connor, CJ, Weiskamp, Kreiner, Garza

Backups getting a lot of minutes: Toussaint, Bohannon, Pemsl

Spot duty: Evelyn, PMac (maybe, who the hell knows), Till

The Big Ten has three great teams (MSU, Maryland, OSU) that Iowa plays a total of four times. Purdue, Michigan, and Wisconsin are all solid. Nebraska and Northwestern are tire fires. There is absolutely no reason Iowa cannot at least try to compete with Minnesota, Penn State, Rutgers, Illinois, and Indiana for what's left.

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Herk Whatcha Mama Gave Ya's picture

I get your point, but the '11-man rotation' you just named includes two guys whom we don't know will even play the rest of the year (Bohannon and Patrick), and if they do play, how much their physical condition will actually allow them to contribute.

It also includes a walk-on in Till who hasn't been a part of the actual rotation anyway.

Also, losing Nunge has next to nothing to do with the quandary of managing a large rotation. Why? He was a starter.

The rotation gets long when you start adjudicating minutes to guys six through 11 or 12 coming off of your bench. It has nothing to do with the top five guys you're rolling out there for the jump ball. The deep rotation actually cuts into the minutes of your top five guys.

The staff clearly saw Nunge as one of those top five guys. Losing one of those is never a good thing, not to mention he's probably the only natural '4' on the roster, not to mention the only front court option Iowa was able to play as a stretch 4.

So this stinks big time.

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Ricky D's Triple Double's picture

And while it sucks to lose Nunge, this season is not lost by any means. You don't need an 11-man rotation-- that's been one of my issues with Fran for a while. Get a solid 8-man rotation going with one or two other guys who play situationally:

Astute point. McCaffery hasn't shown the ability to handle an embarrassment of riches. Something tells me this team could gel nicely with a limited rotation.

The Big Ten has three great teams (MSU, Maryland, OSU) that Iowa plays a total of four times. Purdue, Michigan, and Wisconsin are all solid. Nebraska and Northwestern are tire fires. There is absolutely no reason Iowa cannot at least try to compete with Minnesota, Penn State, Rutgers, Illinois, and Indiana for what's left.

You're winning this comment section. It's important to keep the conference in perspective. Iowa is arguably entering the toughest stretch of their schedule right now, with Tech, Syracuse, Iowa State, Michigan, and Cincy all waiting. Even if they don't fare well in that stretch of games, they will have had their baptism by fire, and I bet will be a better team on the other side. I do think Penn State could be a sleeper in the conference, but there certainly seems to be an opportunity to compete for a middle spot in the conference standings. 

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WaterlooChazz's picture

"There has to be a temptation to shut down Bohannon and the younger McCaffery at this point and use redshirts to get them to a 2020 rebuild.  On the other hand, Luka Garza is truly becoming an offensive force, and Joe Weiskamp -- at least on paper the best player on this team -- could well jump to the pros after this season; declaring their seasons a lost cause would be a disservice to them and their teammates.  Iowa's performance in Las Vegas later this week could determine the course of the entire season now."

It has really seemed to me that Bohannon wants to play.  And, he doesn't really seem so hurt so as to not be able to play about 2 out of every 3 games, or 3 out of every 4.  And, we need him.  I'll be very surprised if he redshirts.

I also don't think Fran can afford the mentality of waiting for a better chance next year.  That becomes very problematic.  You don't put a player in a position of true danger, but you also don't wait, wait, wait for the stars to align.  Particularly when the program has been DOA in the B10 tourney, and has 4 NCAA appearances in Fran's 10 years at Iowa.  A Nunge injury should not be a linch pin for this season.  Waiting for everything to fall into place might be waiting too long.  

I don't think Fran wants to "waste" a (hopefully healthy) year of Fredrick, Toussaint, Garza, Weiskamp, Pemsl, and Connor Mac.  

And, imagine how Kriener and Evelyn might feel about it.  Yeah, they are reserves, but:  "Thanks, Kriener, for busting your butt for several years as a reserve.  We are giving up on your last few months.  Thanks, Bakari, for choosing Iowa to transfer to.  We are not trying our best to help you be part of a winning team."

I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.

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