This is a solid bowl game and opponent and a good springboard for 2020. 10 wins and our 3rd consecutive bowl win bringing back a lot of starters. We'd probably start out Top 15. B1G could have as many as 8 teams ranked to start season in 2020...OSU, PSU, Wisc, Iowa, Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois.
"Everybody got distracted by last week's game. Last week's game doesn't mean crap. It's what you do today." — Kirk Ferentz
You’re putting Indiana, Purdue, and Illinois as possible ranked teams..??
And leaving out Michigan?
Damn, the hatred is real. I can respect that.
New phone, who dis?
In fairness I accidentally omitted Michigan. I think it's possible Indiana, Purdue, or Illinois starts ranked. But not all. Somebody will ride preseason hype train.
Until further notice, I think the preseason hype train (top 25 national ranking) is exclusive to pretty much every other Big Ten besides Indiana, Purdue, and Illinois (plus Rutgers and Maryland).
Don’t forget that Nebraska should have a top ten contender with like 4 or 5 Heisman candidates and that Scort Frost cans still chuck a football over them mountains.
You're damn right he can.
love this matchup. USC has the cachet and talent but notoriously underperforms. that or they’re overrated. while the Trojans did top Utah, they’re very beatable imo. curious to see how Vegas caps this.
no more yankey Chuck's wankey
I'll guess USC by 3.5. We'll see.
that sounds about right
First lines I saw are Iowa by 2.5
I spent half my life's earnings on wine, women, and song. The other half I wasted.
This makes me uncomfortable.
Celebrating horizontal football since 2011
As I recall, that ill-fated Orange Bowl match-up was actually tied at halftime (and I’m pretty sure Iowa squandered a golden opportunity to take the lead at the end of the half). So it wasn’t until the 3rd quarter that the game got out of hand (not the 2nd quarter). Not that it really matters, since the only thing most of us remember is that we got our butts kicked (for the first and only time that season).
Didnt alot of people think banks threw the game at the time too?
No, no they did not. Probably because that’s fucking stupid to even suggest
Just another garbage commenter spreading my *sshole all over the internet.
You may be thinking of the Ronnie Harmon fumble game at The Rose Bowl. There still is a lot of stink on that one. I was at that Orange Bowl. I didn't see anything but effort out of Brad although he wasn't anywhere nearly as effective as he was the remaining games (outside of one half against Iowa State) that year.
What would happen if Bob Sanders and Marshall Yanda simultaneously hit each other?
At one point a few years ago I rewatched my video recording of that 2003 Orange Bowl. Maybe it was more than a few years ago because my copy is on video tape and I know we don't own a VCR anymore. What I remember on the rewatch was how surprised I was that Iowa really did take it to USC from the beginning of the game.
On Iowa's first offensive possession (not counting the CJ Jones kickoff return, of course), Iowa drove down to the USC 2 yard line. A false start penalty and a sack pushed them back to the 18 and after an incompletion they had to settle for a FG (sounds familiar). Immediately before the half, Iowa again drove down to the USC one yard line with ten seconds left. Two more false start penalties and Iowa had to kick a FG that was ultimately blocked.
Carson Palmer and Justin Fargas went off in the second half and Iowa's offense sputtered, but I do think it would have made a significant difference if the made and blocked FGs were TDs instead. I guess the more things change, the more they really do stay the same.
Iowa's going to the Holiday Bowl. (WHOA-oh-oh-uh-uh-oh!)
We play the Trojans in the Holiday Bowl. (WHOA-oh-oh-uh-uh-oh!)
CAUTION: May go on prolonged rants about Gary Barta and Bruce Harreld without warning.
Fuck USC. I hope AJ blows through their OL, runs over the QB, and straight into the band to maul the horn section every time they play that fucking obnoxious song after first downs and stops and shit. I was ready to use their drum major’s sword to stab myself in the ear at the Orange Bowl because of that gotdamn noise. I’m pissed just thinking about it.
Pig shit you say? Smells like $7 Billion to me.
Also, fire Gary Barta.
I got my master's degree at USC while working there. That song is the worst. I may have to watch muted.
Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.
But tell us how you really feel about it. Actually the only over one that gets me is "To the Victors"...Michigan
Boomer Sooner. By miles.
"Boys do what they want to do. Men do what they need to do." --Norm Parker
I was at the Rose Bowl in in '89 or '90 between Michigan and USC (lived in LA, free ticket). If there is a hell, it has to be sitting between those two band taking turns. I can still feel my ears bleeding...
Life is hard. It's really hard if you're stupid.
Trojans are made to get fucked. Heck, even Manti Teo got some with them. And if there’s one thing I know, it’s that Phil Parker fucks. Let’s fuck em.
Fight on anyone?
Fully agree, but I would take the obnoxious song over those fucking cowbells any day.
is it worse than an inane cat-yowl sound at every stoppage in play ala PSU/NW/etc (preferably, but not necessarily, when the team gets a first down)?
"There is no reason in the world why we shouldn't fight for the preservation of a chance to live freely, no reason why we shouldn't suffer to uphold that which we want to endure." -Nile Kinnick
Relatively evenly matched, they have a better offense (shocker), our D is ranked better.
This would be a good game to beat a team that has a recognizable name
USC is talented, but beatable by us, IF we decide to use our 3rd year starting QB with the talent we have CREATIVELY for one GD time this season. I don’t believe we can play “let the D be our offense” with them. I’m sure Phil Parker won’t let us down, I have doubts that Brian won’t...
Hot Taek: if our O doesn’t use these 2.5 weeks to figure out an how to work for 4 quarters against USC, Brian should be ‘allowed’ fresh opportunities somewhere else. I like Brian, and think he may make a fine HC someday, possibly a good OC for someone else, but we need to see that he’s not going to ‘yes man’ daddy’s offensive philosophy. He has shown he can think on his own, but as soon as he does it seems daddy puts him in a time-out.
I am aware that ‘we’re Iowa’ so nothing will change, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t change. Still, great season, GO HAWKS!, and beat USC!
Being an Iowa fan is essentially signing up for a life of getting your hopes up and then getting kicked in the nuts-Ncthawk
The only place Brian will be going is to the HC's office at then other end of the hallway. Failure upward is becoming the Iowa Way inside the athletic department...
I strongly prefer winning over losing.
Why would they attempt to figure things out now? They haven't bothered for years.
Another potential 10-3 season, and with a bowl win we stand a good chance of finishing somewhere around #12. We've been landing some really solid recruits. If Spencer Petras ends up being serviceable and our running game improves, next season could be another 9/10 wins. Whenever we have a charmed season, the Colin Cowherds of the world rip on Iowa, we feel like we're not getting enough respect, and so how does Barta respond? By scheduling Northern Illinois yet again along with that "zero upsides but plenty of downsides" UNI game. I understand we're never getting a home-and-home or neutral game against an SEC team, but what's wrong with a one off game against a respectable Mountain West/AAC team like Colorado State, SMU, Houston or UCF?
So Iowa gets no upside from a MAC program but gets upside from a MWC or AAC team? Ask Oklahoma how playing Houston helps their resume... or Ole Miss playing Memphis... or Minnesota playing Fresno State... or the Arizona schools against SDSU. Fact of the matter is, any game against a Group of Five aside from Boise State is all downside and no upside. Even Boise State is very limited upside. They're all the same flavor of risk/reward tradeoff.
Also, odd place to go on the soap box about scheduling. At least you pulled a good "Rick Roll" by starting the post with double digit wins, good recruiting and the possibility of a #12 ranking.
Iowa is #19 in both the AP and Coaches polls. We’d need to blow USC the fuck out (I’m for it!) and get a lot of help in the rankings above us to jump up all the way to 12
It's very unlikely we could reach #12 in the voters' polls. Getting to a theoretical #12 in the committee rankings might be possible from a #16 starting point, but the committee doesn't do a final ranking, so that's not going to help.
Here are the teams ranked above us in AP/Coaches with rankings and bowl opponents. I stopped at Alabama/Auburn because I don't think we're likely to catch anyone above them, based on my guess of current voter opinion as well as the stature of their opponents.
Alabama 9/9 - Michigan 17/17
Auburn 9/13 - Minnesota 16/16
Wisconsin 11/11 - Oregon 7/6
Utah 12/10 - Texas UR/UR
Penn State 12/13 - Memphis 15/15
Notre Dame 14/14 - ISU RV/RV
Memphis 15/15 - Penn State 12/13
Minnesota 16/16 - Auburn 9/13
Michigan 17/17 - Alabama 9/9
Boise State 18/18 - Washington RV/UW
Rooting interest guide to get us to #12:
With a convincing Holiday Bowl win, I think it's possible we surpass the loser of Memphis/PSU regardless of winner. However, we should probably cheer for PSU to be safe. The Minnesota/Auburn game is similar, though we should cheer for Auburn to be safe. Michigan/Alabama is similar as well. Due to perception, I think Alabama would stay ahead of us with a loss, so we should probably root for them to be safe. This is despite the fact that a 3-loss Alabama would have its best win be a 7-5 Texas A&M (full Alabama schedule analysis below). So at this point, we have three games that would possibly need the "right" team to win, but which would help us move up three spots. Wisconsin could pick up their fourth loss against Oregon, which could be enough to get us ahead of them, despite head-to-head, so we should root for Oregon. That leaves Utah, ND, and Boise playing teams outside the top 25 (some are receiving votes). Wins by Texas, ISU, and Washington should drop each of those three below us. Along with Wisconsin, that's four more teams that could drop below us, with a total of 7 all together.
If every game goes exactly as I detailed it above, we could jump to #12 in both the Coaches and AP polls, but that relies on only the biggest upsets happening and none of the ranked teams beating those above them. This doesn't seem likely. Also, it relies on most of the B1G teams losing, which might be enough to devalue our schedule to the point of costing us some voters' confidence. So that might be counterproductive.
Alabama's schedule this year:
The combined record of the teams they beat this year is 47-73. Of those 47 wins, 12 were against FCS teams. Every FBS opponent played one FCS team and Alabama's own FCS opponent, WCU, went 3-9. The two very good teams they played this season beat them in close games, but that's a WEAK schedule overall.
Great points about Alabama's schedule. Alabama's best win is over Texas A&M (which went 7-5) and Texas A&M's best win is over Mississippi State (which went 6-6). TAMU's best games are arguably losses to Georgia (lost by 6) and Clemson (lost by 14).
I think getting to #15 or possibly #14 with a win is certainly do-able. But even that gets a bit dicey if there are "upsets" because most of the higher ranked teams wouldn't fall far enough to allow Iowa to move up significantly.
Of course, all of this is rendered "moo" if Iowa has one of its usual (read: of the last 40 years) performances on the trip out West. Let's just fucking win, and then we can spend NYD worrying about where the chips fall.
Yeah the history of Iowa playing football west of the Rockies is ... awful. We've got what, an Insight.com Bowl win in the last two decades (KF era) and that's it?
It's all I can think of. And it's not like it was much better under Fry. You've got the 96(?) Sun Bowl (being very generous in my description of "West" here) and maybe an early-tenure regular season non-con game, but I struggle to think of any Iowa wins off the top of my head. I know we lost a non-con game at Hawaii in either 87 or 88.
Iowa won back to back Holiday Bowls in 86 and 87, each by one point. So basically any wins Iowa has had west of the Rockies have been narrow escapes. I’d take one this year too.
2010 Insight Bowl.
Of course, all of this is rendered "moo" if Iowa has one of its usual (read: of the last 40 years) performances on the trip out West.
Moo, like a cow's opinion? Like it doesn't make sense so it doesn't even really matter?
Yeah, it's like a cow's opinion, you know, it just doesn't matter. It's "moo".
The difference from the coaches/AP polls and the playoff rankings with regard to Iowa have been interesting. Its been making me wonder if Barta was finding a way to get Iowa propped up during those playoff committee meetings. Barta is a living breathing slime monster and in no way deserves props for anything that he does after all that he's done, but the ranking dissonance was interesting to see play out.
All I want to do is zoom-a-zoom-zoom-zoom
I think it's relatively easy to explain. The committee has stated that a huge component of their rankings is resume. Looking at our schedule and seeing our close calls against three highly-ranked teams and our win over another, plus the ISU road win (they've been at the fringe of the rankings all year) gives us an argument to say we belong. However, the voting polls are based on whatever criteria each voter wants to use. And I would wager that most of the voters vote based on "who is better" as much as "who has performed better". Some of them probably just rank teams based on "who would beat who". This isn't wrong, but it is much different from ranking as a committee based on merit. Look no further than Alabama being ranked a lot lower by the committee to see how this plays out opposite to our own situation. Alabama has beaten no one, but has a couple of close losses. So they get placed a few spots ahead of us by the committee, even though the voters all recognize that Alabama would be favored against most other teams and therefore get ranked top 10.
I generally agree, except that games are scheduled way further in advance, so the theory that the next year or two's games are scheduled in response to the previous season doesn't hold up.
This game is certainly winnable (obviously, as Iowa opened around a 3 point favorite). It's almost a home game for USC. Iowa seems to struggle when we play in California or Arizona. It's like we always have the wrong cleats on for a half. I'm disappointed we couldn't get a New Year's Day bowl but we are essential 5th/6th in the Big Ten depending on which rankings you follow so that was going to be tough. Alabama would have been an incredible matchup. I'm afraid to think about the worst possible scenario there, but the best case would've been a jolt to our program.
A point I haven’t seen made yet, but bears thinking about (stop me if someone else mentioned it):
If we win this game, we will have begun and ended the season in the AP and coaches top 25. We already went the whole season in the playoff rankings. WOW! When has that happened last? Obviously 2015 for the playoff rankings, but the other two?
The last time Iowa was ranked wire-to-wire was 1991.
They will break that streak this year-- no way they fall out of the top 25 with a loss to #22 USC.
no way they fall out of the top 25 with a loss to #22 USC.
I feel like this is just spitting in the face of Fate
The last time Iowa was ranked wire-to-wire was 1991
That's insane. I find that hard to believe but at the same point it seems totally believable.
There is no fucking drummer better than Neil Peart
Iowa’s most memorable seasons often start with zero hype, and sometimes outright contempt of the team’s chances. I’m not going to independently confirm this (I’ll leave that to our smart and savvy commentariat) but I can easily believe that it’s been 28 seasons since this has happened. While this may be throwing shade at our division mates out west (TOW) (apologies to coach Matt Campbell), at least we usually start unranked for 4-7 weeks before climbing the ranks, versus starting in the top 10-15 before falling out completely in those same 4-7 weeks. Yes, I know, Iowa has done that too, but typically it’s the former rather than the latter.
I agree that we seem play better when we fly under the radar but 28 years? My entire lifetime? For curiosity's sake how many times under Fry were were ranked wire to wire?
"Wire-to-wire" also leaves out some variables, particularly apt in a team like Iowa. Take, for instance, the 2009 team. We started the year ranked, then dropped out after the UNI game in Week 1, and were not ranked again, I believe, until after the PSU game. We would remain ranked the rest of the year, somewhat obviously, and both began and finished the year ranked.
As far as the AP poll, under Fry,
Iowa was ranked wire-to-wire (all season):
in 1983 (pre-season 16, finished 14),
in 1985 (pre-season 4, finished 10),
in 1991 (pre-season 18, finished 10),
I never wanted to Fire Ferentz. Good bye and good luck, Gary.
Iowa has played in 3 Holiday Bowls all time, are undefeated, and have a total margin of victory of 2 points.
Slow down! That's a LOT of BIG numbers to keep up with, TRC! Not everyone is a math wiz, you know.